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| Comments: | My name is Marie Ogletree and I became a member about two years ago. About two years ago I had an anerursym and a massive stroke. I desperately neededed a exercising machine in the comfort of my own home, and let me tell you it was way cool to be able to go to our partner store,"M.C. Sports and purchase the Fitness QuestExcel 300r recumbent bike. Mann now I got it going on; Since exercising will be a important factor It's a real good thing that I am a IBO. I wish that I could get more people to realize a good thing as I did, but anyway my recovery is coming along very well and I love my up line to death! Marie Ogletree! |
| November 6, 2002 14:29:27 (GMT Time) |
| Comments: | Me and a small group from the church I am in got sucked into this thing. I hesitated to join at first. But as I saw these other men get into it---I saw them as good well-intentioned men---I started to think they can't be dumb enough to get took by a scam. That's the whole point. You don't have to be dumb. You can even be highly intelligent. All you HAVE TO be is discontent with the 9 to 5 grind "making somebody else rich" and you're easy prey for them. It happened with me at the worst possible time. When I signed up I went in with the flippant attitude, "aw heck, I'll take a look and see what it's about." A week after that I became a victim of corporate downsizing. I panicked. I was scared witless about when am I gonna find another job, and what is it going to pay, and what kind of financial future will I have, IF ANY??? I went to a couple BDS's that seemed to empty my pocket at computerlike speed. Yet I hesitated to get too gung-ho about it. I never signed up for tape of the week, and I bought the "tools" sparingly. I was more hesitant to buy their outrageously expensive products. I looked at the big PV on the dog food they sell, but then I pondered the price. I can't justify about $55 for a bag of dog food to feed my hound for six weeks. I wanted the money to show up in MY pocket first before I made too many "investments" in my "new business." The money never showed up. I made about 20 contacts trying to get new sign-ups for my new business and batted zero-for-20. I got discontent with the results. I started complaining about it. I was getting restless, wondering when will I ever get rich? All your insight has led me to silently ask a loaded question. How much are these other guys in church REALLY clearing after all the "tools" they've bought, and all these way overpriced Quixtar products? The money in my pocket right now bets they are in the minus column!! A close friend of mine in church said we are in this thing together. I'm in a dilemna now. What do I tell him without sounding like I totally became another person? He's told me many a time "I'm tired of making somebody else rich." Frankly, I think he should be tired of this scam too, because somebody else is getting rich off all the tools he's buying. Because I know nothing's happening with him because he has only two people under him---me and one other guy who won't get involved at all. I feel kind of bad for him. He has very noble and good plans to help the church ministry when he gets rich. Then of course there's that hallowed "business support team." They are infallible. You know what REALLY changed my mind about this thing is when you said families are being torn apart over this pipe dream. That woke me up! That's when I realized the "support team" is a total joke. What have they really invested in me after all? All they've said is "buy more tapes" and buy more tickets to go to more repetitive BDS's and functions. And that's when I realized who my REAL "support team" is. It was that lonely woman who sat alone at home at night while I was out trying to build a make-believe business. She really offered some priceless insight that helped me do a re-take of this whole thing. She never asked for money to buy more tapes. All she asked for was she wanted me to be with her. She didn't care alot about the getting rich part. She said that would be nice, but she said she is content where she is. After reading your article, I finally told myself, Wake up you dumb moron!!!!!! In this country of materialistic, overindulged and often fat nagging wives, how many men wouldn't KILL to have a woman like this???? You know, I'm still discontent where I am, stuck in a JOB. But I'll never fall for a scam like this again. I'm a person of above-average intelligence. Some way or other I'll find a way to make my fortune and retire several years early and live happily ever after. But I'll do it on my own, with my own idea. Nobody is gonna smooth talk me into a too-good-to-be-true scam again. If you think this insight will be any help at all to get someone else out of this trap, you're more than welcome to pass it on. --Greg K. |
| November 5, 2002 14:35:09 (GMT Time) |
| Comments: | I must say that my husband and I were involved, and it was overall a miserable experience. 100 dollars rarely equals the said 50pv nessesary. They also empasized family, but when i came time for us to do things with our newly born son, they frowned at us, which gave us our reason to quit the scam, and look further into the crack system. |
| November 4, 2002 16:45:59 (GMT Time) |
| Comments: | I'm a internal medicine physician. I have spent over 230,000 dollars and 14 years training to become a doctor and now make less than $120,000 per year. Is this a good investment? I would say not! I also have a business affiliated with quixtar. It's absolutely the best investment opportunity I have ever seen and anyone who says otherwise is retarded. I have never told anyone that they will save money on anything. I did get a dockers leather jacket for $179 retailed at Dillards for $310. The vitamins and shampoo are not walmart brand...they are high quality and if you don't like it than shop somewhere else like other poor losers do. But don't degrade my business or I will spend my power to slam yours. I have made money from day one!!! Figure that out?! |
| November 3, 2002 21:02:08 (GMT Time) |
| Comments: | Everyone, this site is BULLSHIT; obviously this close-minded and idiotic moron can't see past the end of his nose. For the people who say that they rejected their friends, and idolized their upline and was no help, hey you made the choice to alienate you friends, and if you LISTENED to someone who told you to do that, well, the world needs dumb people I guess. As an IBO, I can tell you that EVERYTHING in life has some sort of pyramid to it; do you bring home ALL of the money you make for your employer? If you work at a retail store, do you make all the money on the things you sold in one day of work? The Walton family (founders of Wal-Mart) have people under them selling things (their employees), and will their employees be able to pass the owners up on the corporate ladder...no; the family at the top will always be making more money than the people under them...Feds, better shut down Wal-Mart; they are a pyramid...God Help Us. Everyone, grow up...LIFE IS A PYRAMID! Or do you just |
| November 2, 2002 01:50:32 (GMT Time) |
| Comments: | We became a IBO a month ago. We have found alot of interest and have signed up several IBO's in this very short time frame. Now is the time to get involved. We have allready received our first check. We own two other companys and we have a six figure income. This is a great opportunity. A business with back bone, that is what we invest in. Our experiance has been great with Q. We have wonderful mentors, support and great products! We are looking forward to a positive and prosperous future with Q! |
| October 31, 2002 02:11:05 (GMT Time) |
| Comments: | My wife and I at one time were Founders Platinums, i.e., we qualified at the Platinum level for every month of the fiscal year. Unfortunately, we now are not even qualified Platinums, although we do have two in depth. Building a successful Quixtar business is A LOT of work, and one really needs to maintain the effort in order to keep it going. IIRC, Bill Childers said, "You have to keep adding people faster than they fall out." |
| October 31, 2002 01:47:52 (GMT Time) |
| Comments: | Hello! The person that created this website is full of BULLSHIT!!!!!!!! It's just that YOU and the people you have come accross have efforts that suck like hell. My experience (even today, and almost the year 2003), is absolutely SPECTACULAR!!! I'm only 21, just starting Quixtar, and already becoming VERY successful. Only because I WORK HARD ALL DAY AND NIGHT!!!!!! And I don't have USLESS EFFORTS LIKE YOU DO!!!!!!! |
| October 28, 2002 21:30:43 (GMT Time) |
| Comments: | I was in this AmQuix business for over 7 years. Most of those as an active distributor. I read my books, and bought my tapes (I have over 300), and I listened to speakers as though God was speaking through them. I alienated my friends and family, and "edified" my upline. I told blatent lies to prospects and knew it, but I was doing what I was taught, and I made some money. Never nearly as much as I spent though. All to get the repsect of my upline. Now, I am learning a broke mentality by buying into the college "system" and getting an advanced degree. Now I make 6 figures, and am almost done paying off my AmQuix debt. Good riddence debt, hello job mentality. |
| October 25, 2002 20:27:05 (GMT Time) |
| Comments: | There were two things that caused me to choose to let my IBO expire after 6 years. One was my growing suspecion that money was not, and could not be made in the amounts advertised, and that wealth was being created through "selling" the system. Web sites like yours confirmed my suspecions. The other was the fact I felt i could not beleive in my upline. I couldn't understand how people who were out showing the plan, 4, 5, and 6 nights a week wern't growing. I figured they were either liars, or the system wasn't working. Either way, it was time to leave. |
| October 25, 2002 20:15:39 (GMT Time) |
| Comments: | Well, just like all numbers, yours show one of many results. When I joined in 1990 I began making about $200/month in my 3rd month after paying everyone downline and buying tapes. I learned a lot, and although I never made more than about $700/month, I now own a multi-million dollar conventional business. If it hadn't been for my experience in Amway, now called Quixtar, I doubt I would be in the position I am now. |
| October 25, 2002 20:14:34 (GMT Time) |
| Comments: | Glad I had a chance to see your page as well as others in regards to Amway/Quixtar. I have recently been approached here in Canada about startin up my own IBO. It sounded too good to be true. The book given to me was titled "Prosumerism" and it sounded exciting....at first. But I decided to do some research here on the net and it did not take me long to see that Quixtar was an affiliate of AMWAY. Then I knew something was up...because of the practice of AMWAY. So after reading your msg's and others I have decided not to invest my hard earned taxed dollars into this scheme, were products are secondary and recruitment is first. But before I came to a complete conclusion.....I rec'd a bunch of tapes (free to use) to listen to. The first was by Casey Combden on "Getting started with Interbiz Business System", ever heard of him or the tape? Anways I got about 3/4 of the way thru and couldn't help to think that I was listening to Jimmy Swaggart or Jim Baker preaching. He was very adamant abo |
| October 25, 2002 19:45:23 (GMT Time) |
| Comments: | Well I don't have anything negative to say about the business. I can say this. My time(10 years) involved with this oppurtunity has taught me more about being successful in life, my job and my family then anything I ever learned in a public school. The money is not as much of a factor to me as the association, and who can put a value on what I have learned that benefitted me elsewhere. I have many good friends that I trust and have never given me bad advice. I am sorry for those of you that met with the unfortunate circumstance of not having a good experience because of someone else or just because it was not right for you. I do feel that bashing it after 2 weeks-1 year of being involved is a little short sighted. I do hope you find something that works for you. |
| October 25, 2002 05:01:01 (GMT Time) |
| Comments: | I had a shortlived experience with Quixtar. A man and woman come to our home and spoke with us about this WONDERFUL opportunity to get rich fast. We listened to their spill and with reluctance chose to try it. It only took one meeting in Charlotte to change our minds. We had no desire to go to these meetings which seemed to be crucial. We had already joined and paid our $100 to get it all going but when we changed our minds no one offered to give us our money back and they never even come by to get their tapes and stuff they'd left with us. We did enjoy the ablilty to go online and purchase things for one year. But it wasn't $100 worth it. We just chalk this up as a live and learn experience. D |
| October 23, 2002 01:41:38 (GMT Time) |
| Comments: | Thank you for allowing me to use the IBO Business Model Profitability Calculator. It was very interesting to see the results. Using your calculator and the numbers from my business after one year, I am making a profit. How many new businesses turn a profit the first year? Buy using your calculator, I am now more convinced than ever that this is the business for me! Thanks again for helping me see the potential of free enterprise. MC ...and I thought this was a negative site. |
| October 22, 2002 17:38:03 (GMT Time) |
| Comments: | My husband and I recently signed up as IBO's and are about to quit after 1.5 months. We live an hour away from our sponsors and were told we could have our items shipped to us. It's even in the paperwork we received on sign up night that if you live an hour or more away from your sponsor you can get the stuff shipped to you. However, we are still told we must go to their house to get it. Also, I tried to order online, using OUR IBO# and it WON'T let us have stuff delivered.. our upline platinum's have it rigged so that it goes to their house,a nd then our sponsor picks it up, and therefore we have to go get it...that's not MY own business, now is it, when I can't determine my own delivery terms. thank God we're getting out before we spend too much $$.. |
| October 21, 2002 15:07:19 (GMT Time) |
| Comments: | Wow.. as a new IBO I am still unsure of this business.... it is interesting to note that those who complain about in on this forum are not very well spoken - the numerous spelling errors, unbelievable grammatical erros (do you even READ what you write??), and the way you insist on using cuss words in your messages (I've always been told that people who use cuss words when trying to make a point do so because they lack the intelligence and vocabulary to intelligently get their message across) lets me know that those who are bitter may just be not quite intelligent enough to make this work. Maybe the self improvement plan IS what you need. As I previously stated, we aren't sure if we are going to try to build our business or just continue to buy products for ourselves at retail cost. However, I appreciate those of you who display your opinions on this forum. My message for you who have negative experiences to share - thank you for your opinions; we do appreciate them. However, if |
| October 20, 2002 18:35:09 (GMT Time) |
| Comments: | I have been involved in the amway - quixtar business for many years and have had a very positive experience.. I have acheived a few of the levels and the business does produce what the plan says it produces. I have been around long enough to know that there are a few negatives and they mainly involve people because people are not perfect and if theres something thats not perfect its the people in it. Just like anything else the laws of human relations apply. This business is a money making life changing machine... but its not for everyone... thats why a lot of people do not pursue the business for a lifetime.. Most poeple when confronted with some inconveniences tend to quit...people tend to quit all kinds of things and this happens to be one of them. and lots of people just have no vision at all and can't focus on anything long enough to succeed at it. 80% of the people who join the business are hobby distributors anyway hoping that someone with some heart will build it for them. |
| October 18, 2002 04:39:55 (GMT Time) |
| Comments: | My husband has gotten into this Quixtar bus. and I have been totally against it. He spends about $3,500 each year to attend functions and buy tapes, books, etc. He has been doing this for over 2 and a half years. He has an excellent job as an electronics engineer, but they have him so brain washed about everything that he won't listen to anything neg. and continues to attend all these expensive functions and purchases many products, to try to get his sales. I don't know how to get him out of this. |
| October 17, 2002 02:50:52 (GMT Time) |
| Comments: | Bottom line: It can be done and it does work--IF you work it and retail products. Too many people get started in a business like this one with employee/job mindsets, that is why they fail. Seek the education out from the achievers, because a great way to lose is to take advice from those who have lost. The quality of my life, my marriage, my friends, and yes, the products I now use, has increased untold amounts since I started my Quixtar-affiliated business. I've just equalled my full time income in a few years since I got serious about this opportunity, which is the ONLY reason I'm not behind the 8 ball after my wife was laid off. Listening to broke people (i.e., college) got me nowhere, but my team has affected every aspect of my life in a positive way. Do it or |
| October 14, 2002 18:30:22 (GMT Time) |
| Comments: | I have been doing this stuff for a few months and its going well. One major problem I have faced is people who have no business sense trying to prove that this business can not work. Treat this as a hobby and you'll never make it. Quixtar is not a welfare organization, they are there to make money. We have several client sales in our organization, except the exclusives all other brands are the same as regular malls. The only difference is they don't pay you back on the purchases. I feel sorry for all those who think this is a scam. Good luck. |
| October 13, 2002 02:28:21 (GMT Time) |
| Comments: | I was brainwashed into thinking that by me starting an IBO, I would be on the fast track to making $100,000 a year. It sounded like a good idea at first but the more I thought about it, the more it just sounded like Amway of the internet(which it is). The final straw for me was the person who signed me up was relentless in making sure I would spend $200 or more a month on Quixtar's site and sign other people up. They would come over weekly and pressure me into calling friends, family and aquaintences. I finally told them, in a polite way, that they need to back off. Quixtar is what I had always thought it was, a pyramid. But don't tell that to the people who try to sign you up, they'll just ask you what your understanding of a pyramid is. |
| October 11, 2002 04:43:03 (GMT Time) |
| Comments: | Just wanted to say thanks! You make it so easy to prove my point that only loosers that have never accomplished anything in life sit home behind there computer and try to tear down other. Why don't you try getting off your ass, and do something other than expose to the world that you have given nothing to society and that your life is worthless. Quit being a bitter little bitch just because you are a geek that has been picked on his whole life. Get the facts dumbass, Quixtar is a centerized servicing corp. It has nothing to do with building a bussiness or not! Just like Costco has nothing to due if your bussiness fails if you use them to supply your retaraunt! Get the point, Grow up, get a life or stay barried in your little whole. Makes no difference to me, but please quit telling all of us what an idot you are! |
| October 11, 2002 01:18:29 (GMT Time) |
| Comments: | What I ddont like about quixtar is the fake untkl you make it. I knew people in wwds builders that have been gonig to functions for years some even decadeds and still think that they are gonna make diamond. what the hell is ther problem. I think it should be against the law for anyone 18 or undeer to get into this bussines. Reason I was 18 when I was in quixtar I made an ass out of my self. I talked to numerios people everyone thought it was amway. they were right of course but its the principle of the thing. They lie to you when they say quixtar is not amway it is. One more thing that borrowed me. At the major functions how can it be the exact same speakers at every major function if quixtar is exploing then how come theuy have the same speakes at every function. Thats it. I hope some one reading this does not join quixtar then I will be a happy person it is the worst business out there. |
| October 10, 2002 20:55:23 (GMT Time) |
| Comments: | Hi, I was involved back in the early 80's. I was young and single and looking desperately for somewhere to belong. The people all seemed so great and fun and I was quickly convinced that this path we were on was the ONLY one. Now, years later, I realize some of the damaging ideas I was taught held me back in my life. For instance, I often heard that wives should appreciate their husbands because they had been chosen. I could never figure out why I wasn't chosen. I travelled lots of miles to attend functions, never noticed any sleep deprivation as I was young. I don't think I could do the same today. Most of the people I knew are now out of the system, the big diamond, however, is still raking in the cash. |
| October 9, 2002 20:55:15 (GMT Time) |
| Comments: | Funny to watch all the "cult members" frantically posting cheery positive messages as the amway/quixtar ship slowly, slowly sinks with all the other ponzi schemes. ---BEWARE--- |
| October 8, 2002 15:15:46 (GMT Time) |
| Comments: | Have a care folks, I'm currently being pitched with this scheme, luckily the pitcher wasn't very god and let slip the scam. A few words to remember... Pyramid Scam Ponzi Scheme "Airplane" You will never make money selling this junk, only buying it for your personal consumption at inflated prices and receiving half the overcharge back in comissions(alienating your family in the process). The only way to score big, as with any pyramid, is to get a bunch of suckers (oops, "Associates") enrolled below you to start milking their profits, and the profits of those they enlist in turn. |
| October 8, 2002 15:13:54 (GMT Time) |
| Comments: | You know I here the same thing from every person who has been in the business. I am a IBO and have been sence 1994. I've also owned my own traditional business. This business is no different you get what you give and what I have read is that there are alot of people that want something for nothing and it doesn't work that way. You all can complain about tapes and functions and who gets the money but it doesn't change the fact that you wasn't willing to put in the effort just like a traditional business if you don't do the work and stick it out during the thin times don't complain. It works if you work it. |
| October 7, 2002 18:30:30 (GMT Time) |
| Comments: | I want to place a positive comment about Quixtar. I have been a customer of the products for many years. I decided to become an Independent Business Owner to save money. I did. The World Wide Dream Builders or WWDB has the best self improvement system I have ever seen. I also like the support network of doing the business. Food for thought: if you think you can't-you won't but if you think you can-you will. One can always find negative but it takes a stronger person to think positive and stay that way. |
| October 6, 2002 23:35:41 (GMT Time) |
| Comments: | Good day. I came on your site while looking for an IBOs new book. I have been associated with Amway/Quixtar for over 16 years. Always had a growing organization and helped a lot of people take care of a money challenges. Helped them develop better self-images, develop people skills, etc. How have you been doing in that area? World Wide Group, has always been an organization of people of character. When they make mistakes, they admit them and work hard to make corrections and do the right thing. I glanced at some of your articles. Seems like a lot of losers trying to justify their pathetic lives they have made for themselves. No wait, it's the governments fault, that's it. Have a great life. Rand Ledbetter |
| September 30, 2002 06:14:22 (GMT Time) |
| Comments: | This is the most amazing oppurtunity today alot
of these folks have negative feedback but I am taking my advise from
millionaires not people who gave up on themselves and their families.
I would like to tell you that right now your current employer is
taking 90% atleast of everything you generate.
Quixtar is the best way
with little investment to obtain the lifestyle that you dream of.
Please check out Forbes and other business magazines and what they have
to say.
Forbes: June 2001 Article |
| September 28, 2002 16:59:21 (GMT Time) |
| Comments: | I have been involved with quixtar for two months and I am enjoying the experiance. I have no other people under me and I am making money.The products they sale are not expensive if compared to the average grocery store prices.Example; their multi purpose cleaner is far better than everyother product I have ever used and only costs me about one dollar a bottle after the recomended dilution ratio.The bottom line is if you want to succeed you will but you cant expect something for nothing.Thank you Jared Dimick (Quixtar IBO and enjoying every dime of it!!!) |
| September 25, 2002 05:33:14 (GMT Time) |
| Comments: | I was not sure this business was for me, but as long as someone like you has done such a good job of researching the project and have found that a very few people do make money regardless of the downside...I'm going to give it a try. I can't find anything wrong with "Getting Rich Quick". |
| September 25, 2002 00:50:41 (GMT Time) |
| Comments: | Thought this was funny--My husband and I were approached in Belk's department store by an IBO from BWW. His wife was buying a baby shower gift..My husband was like, what was he doing buying from Belk's if Quixtar is sooo great? |
| September 23, 2002 20:11:37 (GMT Time) |
| Comments: | My experience in INA, for the most part, has been a positive one. I learned a lot about myself and others from their BSM's. But, you are definately right on the money (or lack of) about the business being unprofitable. We have been in for 4 years and have yet to show any profit on our taxes. A few months ago, we stopped ordering the Business Development System. That was costing us $65.00 a month. We still order the products but have become inactive in building it. Thank you for really doing a great analysis of the business and lines of sponsorship. I now realize, through reading your website that we are not failures . Most people don't succeed. Fortunately, we have received very little pressure from our upline to attend functions or buy anymore tools, so getting out has not been difficult, unlike so many other people. |
| September 23, 2002 18:26:47 (GMT Time) |
| Comments: | My roommate just got into Quixtar, and I am scared for her. She showed me the plan and I was suspicious right away. Of course she persisted vigorously, but I won out. I told her I just wasn't going to get involved, but I would be interested in seeing how it went for her. Now I have to listen to her relate the heartwarming stories of the presenters at the rallies she attends, and hear the tapes that she listens to in the mornings while she gets ready for school. She is a smart girl, but very very naive. It breaks my heart to see that she has fallen for this. Her dream is to use the money to start charities and do good for other people, and this makes it that much harder to criticise her intentions because they are not material. This page answered a lot of questions for me, and also instilled a big sense of dread. I think this business is going to take down a lot of good people. |
| September 23, 2002 01:31:09 (GMT Time) |
| Comments: | I have been "in" for almost a year, and the whole experience has been very good. Some are quick to point fingers at what they see as immoral and unethical. Show me a business that doesn't have some of that in it. I choose to represent my business with high standards, because it's MY business. What someone else does is their problem, not mine. People are compalining of the guy at the top is making money, while they aren't. If you look at the plan, you make money if you work, not if you do nothing...kind of like life! |
| September 20, 2002 20:29:53 (GMT Time) |
| Comments: | The only person that fails you is yourself, no I am not an amway distributor but an ex distributor that put two years of his life into the business, obviously the business was not right for me for one reason or another, however having had it drummed into my head that putting positive information such as tapes books and meetings into your head on an ongoing basis is the core to being a success I finally decided to do this on a consistent basis and have made astronomical successes in my life and in the process realised that with a positive consistent mind any business can be made a success. I wish Amway would charge $20,000 - $50,000 dollars just for the chance of experiencing the people. |
| September 20, 2002 14:45:20 (GMT Time) |
| Comments: | my experience with quixtar is good. I've been in it for a month and made money. I get good deals on some goods i buy, but on other products there is a little markup. But still all product have compared with store prices except bargain store and coupon clipers. I recently signed up and IBO who was totaly excited then drop out and said this is all a scam to go and work for another network market selling minerals for 15% of the profit and a suposibly 3% of profit on refered people..... 9.17.02 |
| September 18, 2002 15:22:22 (GMT Time) |
| Comments: | My experience had been very positive! I worked, and didn't give up too soon. Compare this to other businesses, this is the best! Try it, cost is very low, what if it works?! |
| September 17, 2002 01:35:16 (GMT Time) |
| Comments: | I would like to say that I almost joined as an IBO but after retrieving my own data and searching the Quixtar website discovered that my potential upline was not quite honest in their presentation. I believe that the opportunity could work for someone who wants to market the Quixway products to the consumer and at the same time recruit their downline. But I asked specifically if Amway was involved, and they said no. I asked specifically if all household products were available or it special brands were promoted, and they said get your Colgate and Charmin here! I asked specifically about the necessity of bulk purchasing and they said it wasn't required. Basically, the whole introduction was slanted toward recruitment with a candy coating! Just keep your eyes open, folks! |
| September 17, 2002 00:54:16 (GMT Time) |
| Comments: | I nearly signed to be an IBO. A friend who also got excited initially uncovered the hidden facets of the Quixtar experience and relayed the information to me. My recruiters swore away any relation to Amway and promised that most any name-brand product was available. I also asked about bulk purchase requirements and they dismissed that requirement as well. They did promote marketing of the product; and also, the pro-sumer facet was not greatly promoted. The concept of marketing the internet is exciting, but the reality is somewhat dismal. |
| September 17, 2002 00:31:41 (GMT Time) |
| Comments: | I just quit quixtar a few months ago because I still had to pay for the major function ticket when I had to work, however, the real insult came to the tape of the week program where it takes two weeks to get on, two weeks to get off. In other words, my spnsor tried to get me to pay for tapes i knew i wasn't gong to use and cracks out some shit like "I don't care what you do with the tape, it makes no difference to me". Well no shit, u aint the one PAYING for it. Such a sad way to do businesses. |
| September 15, 2002 08:43:34 (GMT Time) |
| Comments: | Thanks for this site. I recently met a lovely man that I was well on my way to falling in love with and I think he wanted to find a lover also. But he has now decided he must concentrate on his AMWAY business for the next year or so cause right now he is too broke to date. Yet he buys the tapes, goes to the rallies, and has made two plane trips in three months to built the business. Your site helped me see that he is in too deep for me. He's a wonderful guy and I hope he is still so sweet and positive when or if he ever gets free. Even while breaking up with me he still asked if I was interested in the business. Heaven help him. Mary in Kansas City |
| September 13, 2002 07:25:17 (GMT Time) |
| Comments: | I was in the "business" if it can be called that for 6 years....knew Carillo personally. Virtually everything they teached was a farce from making money to them being so faithful as husbands...(a real laugh there..lol)......seems like it's divorce city in Diamondville lately. The entire tool scam is so cultlike it is amazing.......just try talking to someone who is new to the business and see how they act...like little clones.....or Ambots.....GLAD I am away from it all...BUT I did learn a lot of good things (painfully aaand at large costs) about the industry...which I put to use making real money...NOW, not at ssome future daaaate.......John |
| August 17, 2002 04:51:03 (GMT Time) |
| Comments: | I have been surprised that people have been lying about tools money. We have never lied about that in our group, in fact, when I was shown the plan I was told that I could make good money in Quixtar and also in the system that runs it. It has been very clear to me that neither Quixtar nor the companies that have developed the support systems are non-profit organizations. Both are there to make money. I think its a very fair and balanced business opportunity. One thing that I had to overcome in the first 4-6 months was the fear that I could not do it, I have studied the business deeply and am now seeing a fair degree of success. Some people may have resorted to a lot of lies to attract people to this business, which is unfortunate, they probably are trying to find a shortcut to what is already a shortcut, I hope this stops and people join the business in greater numbers. |
| August 15, 2002 03:49:37 (GMT Time) |
| Comments: | I am absolutely thrilled to be part of this business. I have liked what I have seen so far. The people I am working with have been very honest and open about the ins and outs of the business. I wonder why some people are so negative about it, I can understand the bitterness of some people that have had bad experiences for one reason or the other. There are failures in every field and there are honest and dishonest people in every field, please do not generalize the negativity, this ia a great opportunity. I have been working in corporate America for several years, there are millions of honest people in this field who have integrity and are men of character but then there are leeches too, you would know what I am saying if you read the papers. Same is true for this business.....I am having a lot of fun, I am looking at retirement in 2003 and we have laid out plans for several people in our group for their retirement, life is great!!!! |
| August 14, 2002 04:44:37 (GMT Time) |
| Comments: | The guy showed me the Quixtar plan and told me I needed the tools or I'd be like a carpenter trying to build a house with my bare hands. I asked how much for the tools. He said I should get on the system and start going to all the meetings. He said the system costs $100 a month plus $25 for voicemail. He said I should do 300pv every month. I asked how much that will cost? He said about $600, more or less. The plan showed a top bonus of 25% before the breakaway, so I say that's $150 gross minus $125 leaves $25 net for me? He says it takes money to make money and don't get stuck in the details, trust him, come meet his mentor. I almost punched his lights out but settled for kicking him out of my house and telling him to go get a job a McDonald's and quit ripping off people with his pyramid scam. I know where he works so is a phone call to his boss in order? At first I thought he was selling jewelry distributorships. He kept going on and on about emeralds and diamonds. I was |
| August 12, 2002 22:26:59 (GMT Time) |
| Comments: | My sponsor swore that he was commited to inform me in the most complete and honest manner: he suggested that I pursue the tapes and seminars. I have now realized what great yet unrecognized service your website has provided. The dissapointment in this affair was not really in the business opportunity offered to me, but in the system that supposedly delivered it to me. In fact, if I were to start my own system, my first advice to any client, member, or prospective downline IBO is to check your website until utter exhaustion, and not allow them to decide until they have otherwise developed a truly informed opinion. Thank you. |
| August 9, 2002 04:04:03 (GMT Time) |
| Comments: | What you have created is at large regretably unrecognized. I personally was not dissapointed with the Quixtar opportunity, but instead with the misinformation and indignity IBO sponsors employ in both recruiting and providing me with a false sense of trust and enlightment. If I would decide to create an honest "system", it will consist of providing honest and complete information; and in providing honest and complete information, I will definitively suggest any prospective downline to visit this website before taking my word. Thank you. |
| August 9, 2002 03:57:00 (GMT Time) |
| Comments: | Joining Quixtar has been the greatest experiance in my business life. Since starting two years ago I have generated enough money in my spare time to bring my wife home from her job. I am still working in my regular job as well, but hope to join my wife at home soon raising our kids and building our business. I can't wait to be free. |
| August 9, 2002 02:51:48 (GMT Time) |
| Comments: | I have had a very good experience in the business and I plan on continuing to do it. I took my time in doing the research and this site has helped me in making my decision. Thanks Scott. I am sure I will be able to make it. It appears simple enough and I am getting good results. |
| August 7, 2002 20:13:24 (GMT Time) |
| Comments: | This is an extremely cool site. My own cousin started this business and he started it by telling me and some of my friend about "Networking and E-commerce seminar" and it turns out to be "Amway Business building seminar", such a slick technique isn't it? They got my cousin, my own brother who is brainwashed, they're responsible for THIS!! Thanks for your informative homepage |
| August 7, 2002 11:11:11 (GMT Time) |
| Comments: | I have had a very good experience. Its very convenient to have products delivered to my home. I have also found a lot of other ways of generating PV/BV other than my regular household products. I have been very impressed by my upline, they have never pushed me into anything. They have been very sincere and have been very upfront in telling me that all the help I am getting is because our financial interests are linked and they have a vested interest in helping me. So far it has been very transparent, I can not relate to whatever is going on here. I have close to 20 people in my downline in less than 6 months, I have realised one thing though, it takes some work to get this thing done. And I have realised by now that many people claim they have big dreams but wimp out when it comes to getting the job done. Its been a pleasant journey so far, I guess success in this business largely depends on who you are working with. |
| August 3, 2002 06:36:25 (GMT Time) |
| Comments: | I worked hard at quixtar. Everyone I talked to wanted to know if it was Amway. I told them it was something different to ge them to the meeting. Once at the meeting they left and have never talked to me again.. I look at my 9 months in quixtar as an embarisment. The money is horrible in quixtar never made a dime.. I made my upline alot of money from me buying tools but thats about it.. Quixtar was a horrible biz for me. Here is my main problem.. Quixtar is not e-commerce.. Here is why. My upline is a diamond in order to get my overpriced consumable products I had to go to his house to pick them up.. Way out of the way I might add. So I go on to the web site and order my consumables expecting them to be delivered to my door step.. Well guess what? When I order my consumable's on the website its goes to my upline and them my upline has to notify me when to pick it up.. That is not e-commerce. My upline was a fake it till you make. His dad was diamond I think he spoiled him rotten. He is only |
| August 2, 2002 17:23:04 (GMT Time) |
| Comments: | JAMA-RAMA. That's what this idiot who presented Quixstar to me 2 years ago kept saying. I knew then that I could not be in a business that required me to smile like fool and say stupid things like that on a regular basis. Two weeks ago, I was hit up again, only to discover that Amway is the devil behind this whole scam. I liked it better when (5 years ago) one of my co-workers brought in a box of products and a flip chart and told me right up front that he wanted me to be in his downline and sell Amway. At least this approach was honest. I WOULD NOT DO DO THIS BUSINESS!!!!!!!!! |
| July 31, 2002 05:07:30 (GMT Time) |
| Comments: | When my husband and I were first introduced to this "business" by a very nice, young couple, we were skeptical but excited about the basic concept that was being presented. Essentially, it was like this, "Get paid to be a consumer, get your friends and family to get paid to be consumers and everyone wins". Of course, it sounds to good to be true. But I thought, hey, lets just hear them out. I asked specifically if this was an Amway company and they told me that it wasn't (I guess it's not, TECHNICALLY). We paid our $42.50, got our IBO #, listened to a couple of tapes and still thought that it was worth a try. When this couple brought the "Catalog" to our house and wanted to show us how to surf the website, I realized immediately that the the products that had the most PV were things like SA8 (EVERYONE born after 1970 knows that SA8 is an Amway product). I asked again if this was an Amway company and was told that "some of the product are Amway, and Amway is one of the partner companies! |
| July 31, 2002 04:56:53 (GMT Time) |
| Comments: | I have recently sign up as IBO members, not purely from businessn perspectives but for the trust I take in the many products QUIXTAR offer.Actually some of their product I have experienced using them before and their price are quite competitive without getting into the the bnous or commission talks.I feel that I can introduce their product to my co-workers, friends, and family. I can earn my PVs and so as my sponsors and the one I am sponsoring.I do not really have to heavily invest in purchasing their motivational tapes or books on sales. I know their product and most of their products works well. |
| July 28, 2002 06:25:47 (GMT Time) |
| Comments: | I had a guy approach me in the retail business I work in and ask me to give him 15 mins of my time. I did and heres how it went. He showed me a flip-chart to get me all warm and cossy about more money and time with family. He gave me a booklet with 2 CD's to listen to, but never showed me any products or offered a web-site other than his own. If this alone did not make me start wondering who I was talking to, this did. When he went to his car to get me the material he was driving an old beat-up chevy. He must have been working on it since his hands were still dirty with grease. My first thoughts were, if this guy is a picture of success, I don't need any. He should have done some more question asking about who he was talking to. I'd already seen this, but he never asked me. Trust me, time vs income, your better off cutting grass. Thanks. |
| July 26, 2002 22:38:00 (GMT Time) |
| Comments: | Great site! What a pity to read some of the feedback from those that are still wrapped in a web of deceipt! They will eventualy come to a sad realization that the business is based upon making a lot of money at the expense of the losses of others. The success ratio of making it to qualified Platinum is less than 1%. Just look at the number of qualified platinums vs. number of distributors. It boils down to those that are good at keeping distributors ordering for awhile until they quit and replacing them over and over again== a vicious cycle. How can they claim this to be freedom. The parody is that you are more tied to your business not only economically but emotionally as well. I was a qualified 12 out of 12 months platinum for 4 years. I even made it to the top 25 sponsoring organizations in North America two times. (Actually I qualified pearl several times, but they got rid of the pin.) While I was on the verge of qualifying for sapphire, my upline who was a non-qualifying Emerald i only saw him once in the free trips meaning he didn't qualify. of course he made lame excuses for that!)decided to conspire against me with upline emerald and maligned my name in my organization. Instead of helping me with my last 2 months for sapphire qualification, he tried to discredit my name. Why? If I qualified Sapphire, I would have had a bigger share of the tool and function bonuses which they dreaded because my organization was big...I broke 8 platinums and lots of silvers. I had over 500 distributorships in my first 12 months. It would have meant a cut in pay for my emerald upline. However, the effects were devastating. When I went inactive (upon my wife's wisdom) my organization fell apart and is now down to trickles 2 years later. How could they have thought that they can keep an out of town group whose leader has been eliminated? I built the group without their help and it was presumptous for them to assume they can step right in and take over...In retrospect, I am glad I got out. I can say from my own experience that I made much more on tool bonuses than I ever made from the products. In some instances up to two times. This did not sit well with my conscience...it bothered me for a long time. I promoted the system (books, tapes and functions) more than the products. Why? Because I made more money from it. I could no longer sustain such lies. After I quit actively building, they stopped paying me my tool bonuses but I still received the Amway checks tho they slowly decreased from over $2,000 to $1,000 and eventually in my last month was a mere $15.00. Altho my career was derailed for 5 years, I'm glad I realized before too late that the writing was on the wall. I'm now happily employed and pursuing my dream like everone else - the old fashioned and proven |
| July 26, 2002 22:07:38 (GMT Time) |
| Comments: | My husband I were approached by a couple while shopping Home Depot. They spoke of a great business opportunity and said that they were recruiting local business owners to join their team. We agreed to meet with them and another "team member" over coffee to discuss this opportunity. They asked questions about our financial plans for the future. When we asked questions about this business, the answers were very gray. At one point, my husband actually asked if it was Amway and we were told no, but that Amway was an affiliated company. We were invited to a meeting of T&E International to learn more. After coming home and doing research on the internet, we learned that they were quixtar. My husband and I both felt that the meeting was deceptive. We own a successful business already and the last thing that we want to do is get caught up in what we feel is nothing more than a pyramid scam |
| July 22, 2002 22:05:59 (GMT Time) |
| Comments: | I have been in Quixway for some time and I have realised one thing, this is the best business opportunity for someone who does not have a huge capital to start another type of traditional business but.......for those who don't make it, it haunts them for the rest of their life especially, when they see people who signed up after them move on or something of that nature. Its not an easy business and not for everyone that for sure. Having a platform like this is useful to share experiences, I see a lot of positive and negative mixes here. Overall its a great site with lot of good information and a generally weak analysis of the business. |
| July 18, 2002 23:18:45 (GMT Time) |
| Comments: | Thanks for this site. My husband wants to do Quixtar, and I knew from the beginning what it entailed but he won't believe me. Thanks again. |
| July 18, 2002 15:05:57 (GMT Time) |
| Comments: | Thank you for your very informative website. Over the last 30 years my husband and I have tried the Amway business at least three or four times- chasing the big dream. We sacrificed way too much. We got nowhere. We were slow learners, but finally got the picture. They are really selling a dream! It just doesn't work for everyone. Your site tells the why and more. Now our son is wanting to drop out of college to do Quixtar. I need all the information I can get to save him time and money. Keep up the great service!!! Thank goodness for the internet! |
| July 16, 2002 19:01:16 (GMT Time) |
| Comments: | We got the Quixtar "Pitch" last night. It all sounded so good, and not the earning potential, but the convenience of ordering the stuff I buy every week at Walmart and having it sent directly to my home. They, the couple IBO's who came to our home, suggested that instead of making money as business owners we start out saving up to 30% on the stuff we buy every week, and being able to write off business expenses at the end of the year. They said that later they would show us how to increase our earning potential. Also, they used Robert Kiyosaki as there model of how Quixtar is being set up. By using the Cash Quandrant theory that Mr. Kiyosaki teaches in his books, they suggested that we would become debt free and wealthy thru Quixtar. It's really too bad they aren't more up front. Amway products are good products and good products sell themselves, not shifty sales techniques. Buyer Beware! |
| July 16, 2002 17:55:32 (GMT Time) |
| Comments: | Our friends got roped into Quixtar and now won't talk to us because we choose not to support this sham by purchasing expensive Quixtar products. |
| July 15, 2002 02:35:37 (GMT Time) |
| Comments: |
I am grateful for your website. Although my Amway experience is now 20 years and 9 years old (got in again after dropping out the first time), I am producing a television documentary series on the support organizations ("Diamonds and their Mine Workers", working title only), covering everything discussed on your site. The highest level personally attained was 1500, but my eye for business eventually saw what I was blinded to for a time, in the fog of "the freedom dream." I share many of your experiences told here, and I find too many common broken dreams and shattered realities, financial and emotional, to let alone. As a distributor in INA (International Networking Association) under Diamond Directs Jeff and Marcia Carlton, the biggest facade for me was the RT (recommended tape of the week). I won't recount the cost of pleasing the upline with tapes, books and seminars, for this would be simple duplication (no pun intended). Having been in the Radio/Television industry for many years, I saw the amazing markup on RT and thought this was far in excess of any cost I had ever seen for all but the highest-ticket concerts that I recorded, produced, duplicated and distributed... even on compact disc. In the early nineties, I looked farther into INA's tools, via my upline, and found the following. My upline Directs made far more net profit from the INA tools than from their Amway businesses. Opportunity seized upon. Numbers? Each RT cost no more than $1 ($1.75 for double) to record, produce, duplicate, case and distribute. Retail, and I emphasize RETAIL, cost to distributors (who were supposedly internal clients of a WHOLESALE system), paid $6.00 ($12.00 for double) at that time. Do the math... it means a 500% markup! Not even Double-X, with its magnificent PV/BV, could touch that. It is no surprise to me that the motions of emotion for each distributor included RT and other tools, as prescribed by their progressive, possibly hedge-betting, upline. That said, and recognizing that all human behavior is led by passion and desire, I feel knowledge plays second in such organizations, as led by upline. Distributors are personally blinded by the "freedom dream", and information appears to be merely the business tools to (in theory) get them "free.". How coincidental. Speaking just for me, I don't see how a business plan (not "the" plan) for such a support organization could NOT see such numbers of profit in return for pushing all "serious" distributors into RT and other weekly tools, etc. I would like to open my email of amwaystories@yahoo.com to anyone who would like to participate via written account, telephone interview or videotaped interview, in the year 2003. You need to have been an Amway distributor sometime between 1980 and the present.
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| July 13, 2002 20:46:42 (GMT Time) |
| Comments: | I have been in this business for sixteen years and have made well over 1 million dollars by helping people build their dreams. Yes it is not a perfect business but then no one expected it to be perfect. Everytime any thing in this world is sold there is a profit of some type made whether it is toilet paper or tapes it only makes logical sense that someone should make a profit for their efforts. I have made great money by 1. changing my own buying habits (which has been a good value for products received) 2.registering others to do like wise and teach them how to become successful. 3. If someone wants to buy a product then I am sure willing to sell it to them, but I always ask them if they want it wholesale or retail and then take care of their needs. I hope this clears up questions that someone has as to whether they can make this work or not. Rick Voss |
| July 11, 2002 17:37:55 (GMT Time) |
| Comments: | Quixtar and World Wide Group has given me more financial stability with more time options then any other Job or business out there. Anyone who treats it as a business and builds it will be rewarded tremendously. I built a Platinum business, $50K-$60K, in 12 months. I worked 2-3 nights a week. My overhead is $300 a month. This year we'll make $70-80K part-time. I enjoy lots of time with my family and recommend the business to anyone willing to work. Don Carlson |
| July 11, 2002 04:38:31 (GMT Time) |
| Comments: | Im in quixtar and i am doing great im making at least $4,000 a month and i understand you must of had some sort of bad experience,I truly followed the program and achieved great results. yes not every one can win at this. But i found itsthe people who dont follow through not the system. |
| July 8, 2002 18:50:07 (GMT Time) |
| Comments: | hey Scott, I love your site. All is true. I was ruby in the britt org. for several years. I saw the light in 1999 and could no longer be part of it. My wife is still very active and is going to be rich any day now... ha-ha. we separated in 2000 and are now in divorce proceedings. She could not stay married to a "loser" who did not love his wife and kids enough to build quixtar.... we were together for 15 years, got two kids, but chose the business over me. So many people in our own group started having marriage problems after getting in the business. When wives are told their husbands don't love them if quixtar is not built or told to stop having sex with husbands unless you show so many plans per week or something , bad things can only happen. Mow being on the outside looking in, I see how powerful mind control can be. All is clear now and I am moving on in life. Many quixtar couples are living lives of desperation behind closed doors. keep putting the word out, you are truly doing a great work giving people the true facts about quixtar. I hope no one else has to lose what I did before they figure it all out |
| July 7, 2002 07:3:28 (GMT Time) |
| Comments: | Quixtar has been one the most positive things in my life. It has tought me success, communicaton, and a love for people. You will never find better people of such commitment then you will in this business. |
| July 3, 2002 01:35:17 (GMT Time) |
| Comments: | I have mostly pros to mention about my Amway experience. I was in for 4.5 years (Sept. 93 to April 98). I was a young kid, I signed up the first week of my senior year in high school. I learned a ton about dealing with people and principles of integrity, things that were completely foreign to me considering my public school up bringing (I had never even heard of "how to win friends and influence people"). I had a small group of about 6 people that never really took off besides the usually small weekly orders. The Sunday Worship sessions were good, in July of 95 I accepted Jesus as my Savior. This was the 3rd time inviting Jesus into my life, however this time it was sincere. I had always heard of the concept of Jesus from my mother (a devout Christian of more than 20 years). After 2 more years of prayer and petitions I decided to close my Amway experience. The up-side to closing my experince was meeting my bride of a year and a half at the last house meeting I did. Regards Jn |
| July 2, 2002 15:50:51 (GMT Time) |
Amway Co-founder - Rich DeVos comments on "losers"