| Comments: | My wife and I were Amway distributors about 5 years ago. We liked the seminars, met a ton of very nice, motivated people. But, we didn't make any money. Flying to Atlanta or Tampa for a major function was financially hard and wiped out any profits we did accrue. And they really did beat the "System" drum endlessly. We sponsored a few couples and actually worked harder for their business than they did for themselves. We were in the Marin downline and the Emerald leg we were in is totally gone now because of unscrupulous activities by our upline. Live and learn, I guess. |
| June 28, 2002 06:44:44 (GMT Time) |
| Comments: | I am curious, who are you? Have you ever exprerienced being in this business? Because, if so, obviously you have many misconceptions and gave up. First of all this business is not for every one. So it is ashame that somebody like yourself creates a site (which you must have nothing else better to do) to try to draw people away from this business. This business is great and is the best thing that has happened to me and many many other people. People have to decide why they would want to do this business. This is the reason why people build it. Why get caught up in if the products are too expensive and if you don't save money. Who cares!!!!! You have once in a life time opportunity to save your life and reach your dreams and goals in life. Obviously you would like to be strapped and stay in the rat race. Well that is too bad. It is ashame there are people like yourselves out there in this world. People like you give this business a bad name. It is not just about the money. t |
| June 26, 2002 20:53:03 (GMT Time) |
| Comments: | Got invited to a meeting by an old friend, said he had his own web business where he represented thousands of products and works with customers all over the country, he gave me a motivational book to look over too. I was curious, I am a computer professional and ebiz savvy, how could this guy who knows little to nothing about computers or the net beat me to the punch of what he made sound like the next big thing on the net. The book was about "prosuming" and it had some good tips on how to be a smart consumer, but what could this business be I asked myself. Being the smart guy I am, I looked up the books author on the internet and found an affiliation with amway/quixstar. Talk about red flags going up everywhere, I struggled with the notion of going to the meeting, I considered ditching him, but instead decided I would go with an open mind. Everyone at the meeting was nice, I even knew some of them, which was a coincidence (I hope it wasn't some social engineering trick). |
| June 26, 2002 20:32:11 (GMT Time) |
| Comments: | Why don't they ever mention the guy they know making $5.15 an hour willing to quit his job to do Amway....er Quixstar fulltime? It is always someone who is already making a decent income at their 'real' job. Also they don't mention that you can only claim business exspenses (loses) for 2 years before penalized by old uncle sam. Uncle sugar isn't in the business of giving away money. They also don't mention that alot of 'business' practices they preach is nothing more than tax fraud. Here is a recent resopnse to a Amway rep.... XXXX, I tried to reply to your last message but I don't know if it worked. (it was returned undeliverable) I was first exposed to Amway as a teenager in the mid seventies. I heard the online Amway has not changed one bit. The only difference is that you now get a web site to buy their products. I understand the concept (the typical circle briefing where I recruit someone and that person recruits someone else and eventually you will establish your |
| June 26, 2002 14:38:34 (GMT Time) |
| Comments: | ( Esta experiencia la escribo en español). Me vincule a amway en santa marta colombia por invitación de un miembro que me visito en la universidad donde trabajo después de haber asistido a un seminario de correo electronico y de haber leido el libro "el cuadrante del flujo de dinero" de kiyosaki (luego vine a saber que este libro lo distribuian en pronet y era patrocinado por amway). Todo el plan me parecio fabuloso estaba decidido a ser un diamante. Aunque me entro una duda por que dijeron en una reunion que amway estaba entre las primeras 500 compañias de fortune. Un dia me puse a buscar en www.fortune.com y no la encontre entre las 100 primeras, ni en las 200 para ahorrar tiempo me fui al buscador google y teclee "amway fortune" y aparecio esta pagina casi me desmayo de la desilución pero gracias a ustedes por tener esta pagina que me evito perder tiempo y dinero samuel prieto mejia e-mail :prietosamuel@hotmail.com |
| June 26, 2002 03:01:41 (GMT Time) |
| Comments: | As a new IBO for Quixtar, I was amazed at the indepth analysis of this company and the shared information from other IBO's on your WEB site. All that I have experienced in the last 2 weeks were reflected on your website. It's amazing. You are definitely on target. I came across your website accidentally when I tried to access Quixtar.com. You have really confirmed what I was feeling about this organization. It's a big time, first class scam; especially for the little man. Presentations are extremely lenghty and can run prospective clients away, fast. Pomp and circumstance takes 2 hours and the plan 5 minutes. Lots of desperate people in this business. |
| June 25, 2002 00:17:28 (GMT Time) |
| Comments: | "Quixtar has nothing to do with Amway!"... that is what is being told to prospective IBO's. Thanks your page saved me from being embarrased by my friends getting me stuck in Amway. |
| June 24, 2002 13:09:20 (GMT Time) |
| Comments: | My wife and I recently decided to become an IBO. I have been approached in the past, but this time we decided that the only way to truly learn about the organization was to join. I can't say that we got out $120 worth, but we did finally get SOME of the answers we were seeking. To me, your business is basically selling the "brand". Call it Amway, call it Quixtar, or whatever - you are selling products for this company in Ada, MI. And it is quite obvious, that your real wealth comes from signing up more people to buy the products. I am also convinced that the real money makes are those who sell the CD's and tapes (what a bunch of mindless drivell) and those who put on the big "tent" meetings. Being that I am pursuing my MBA, I find it quite astonishing that no one ever develops a business plan or a cash flow statement. Of course, if you read the Business Guide, they tell you that you should do these things, but you should BUY a product from Quixtar to help you through it see. I've got an idea - buy "Business Plans for Dummies". It's only $20 and it will tell you much more. To conclude, I find it to be very ironic that the MBA Program that I am attending is at the DeVos Graduate School of Management at Northwood University. Yes, the same family in deed. I wonder if I'll be shown the crown jewels of how to truly build a business (and it ain't by buying/selling Amway) $120 Poorer but Wiser |
| June 23, 2002 23:22:18 (GMT Time) |
| Comments: | I became an Amway/ now Quixtar distributor in 1990 and became a direct distributor/ now platinum in 1993 My time outlay to reach that level was about 15 hours weekly I now work about 7-10 weekly hours to maintain my business My income for my efforts averages around 40K yearly It has been a great deal for me and my family It has kept my wife free and gotten us almost out of debt You are a classic dream stealer Steve . Bel Air Maryland |
| June 19, 2002 18:56:25 (GMT Time) |
| Comments: | I have friends who have been sucked into the Amway scam and lets just say they were all very well dress, polite, go getters seemingly sincere with good intentions when they approached me but unfortunately not wealthy by any means to this very day and embarrassed that they were deceived. Folks if you invested anytime in this scam, best to cut your losses now before your finances start to bleed if it is not hemorrhaging already. For those who are making it with Amway/Quixtar way with your morals and ethics in tact, good for you. Whether it be this site or another promoting or bashing Amway/Quixtar read carefully and look at the facts. Lets be honest, it only matters to you as an individual whether you want to be apart of the pyramid or not. Who cares if the ship is sinking and your losing money as long as you meet nice people, acquire a few handy dandy products and gain some business experience along the way, even if it’s the hard way, right? RIGHT? |
| June 19, 2002 17:29:23 (GMT Time) |
| Comments: | Scott this is a great site. I was recently approached by a colleague who has gotten my name from our university alumni list. He said his business is expanding and was seeking new talent. He wanted to know if I was looking for new business opportunity and was interested in earn additional income (who isn’t?). He was reluctant however to go into detail over the phone about this great opportunity and wanted to meet face to face to determine if I would be the right person to join his company before entrusting proprietary business details. So we meet and he spoke generally about life, dreams, and went on about the vast wealth to be made and how I too can realize my dreams by becoming an IBO (of what kind of business I still haven’t found out). He was very elusive when asked about what the company, what the business model was, what products they sold, how much revenue this great company quoted in Forbes and praised by D&B made each year, and why haven’t I heard of such a company if it’ ’s so great. Common questions about any business. Still at the end of hour’s conversation I had learned nothing more of this business he is enthusiastic about. He said my questions are best answer at a group meeting with more senior reps and wanted to give me a CD to listen to (sound familiar?). Group meeting? And what’s on this CD? More motivational solicitation as I found out. Having worked at a market research company for several years and listened to numerous business plans, experience tells that any rep from a business who purposefully withholds information about the business is hiding something and it’s not something I want to waste another hour to find out. So as any good business market analyst would do, I did my research and was shocked to find that Quixtar was aka Amway although this rep assures me that Quixtar and WorldWide Group does not go by any other name. Lies, deception and a waste of time -- no thanks, to this business opportunity |
| June 19, 2002 05:40:00 (GMT Time) |
| Comments: | I gotta tell ya, while you raise some serious issues, one need only look at how the facts are presented and make an intelligent, educated decision. I have been hanging around "the system" for years and I have three simple reasons remain why I am commited for life. First, I love the products (I have yet to find a better source of nutrition).Second, I love the awesome friends I have met both upine (my mentor and his family members---AMONG THE TOP % of IBOS in the ENTIRE NATION), and downline. I have traveled extensively and have yet seen a system of mentoring and teaching as awesome as this. Thirdly, I don't want to be counted among the losers who quit and wonder...(or make excuses) When I quit, it will be AFTER I got the results, then we'll see. |
| June 19, 2002 04:04:41 (GMT Time) |
| Comments: | Just in the nick of time! I was approached 2 weeks ago. Went to 2 overview events and one 5 hour seminar (where no refreshments were served BTW). I'll admit, I was getting caught up in 'dream' and feeling inspired and determined. There's even a 'family reunion' in less than 2 weeks down in Phoenix, and I really considered going to it. After this website, I'm definitely having second thoughts. It helped answer some the questions I was still having. I wonder if my 'upline' has seen this info. Good Luck (sincerely) to all those considering this business. Ask questions, try it if you want, but be objective and realistic. Sometimes, if things look too good to be true.... |
| June 17, 2002 18:23:22 (GMT Time) |
| Comments: | I just lost a business, that I worked 8 years to build. I passed up the Amway opportunity in the past, twice, now to my dismay. I became an IBO with Quixtar 3 weeks ago, and can actually realize, with the knowledge I have from ny "lost" business, I can make a success of a Quixtar business. I realize that Amway had a name for not being honest with people, but I've found that everyone I've met through Quixtar, has been honest and genuine. You have to work in any business you try to build...most people are not willing to put that type of effort into their "job" or a business of any type! Employees can kill a business! Mine did!!! If I just put forth half the effort I contributed to my previous business, THIS WILL BE A SUCCESS! My previous business grossed over 2 mil in 2001, but the people I employed failed to do their jobs, which caused us to fail. You can only depend o your own work ethic, whether it be with Quixtar or Tupperware, or Mary Kay, or Avon...all I know is that there are there are more successes in Quixtar than any of the other companies I mentioned, and with the job market the way it is, internet marketing and sales is where the country is headed... Quixtar gives hope to those who otherwise, may have none. |
| June 16, 2002 04:51:15 (GMT Time) |
| Comments: | MY EXPEREINCE IS VERY POSITIVE. I HAVE MADE WHAT I CONSIDER GOOD PROFITS FOR THE TIME THAT I HAVE PUT FORTH. I DISAGREE WITH THE WAY YOUR NUMBERS ARE USED BUT THIS IS YOUR WEB SITE NOT MINE. I WILL CONTINUE BUILDING MY BUSINESS. I ALWAYS ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO TRY IF A FEW MONTHS AND IF THEY DON'T LIKE QUIT AND DO SOMETHING ELSE. CALVIN JAMES |
| June 15, 2002 22:05:26 (GMT Time) |
| Comments: | The best thing about this business is that owners have the oppurtunity to learn from people who have been and know how to be successful. Thanks to the mentorship of the business owners I have replaced my income as an Anesthesiologist. Now I can come home and spend the rest of my valuable time with my family on our beautiful lake home. It's always good to check the fruit on the tree when making a business decision. That's why you should find someone in your upline who has something you want and find out how to get that very same thing. Talk to your upline diamond. |
| June 15, 2002 06:25:08 (GMT Time) |
| Comments: | Thank you for your very informative site. I was shown the plan a little over two years ago and was one of a very few people in my core group of friends who declined, and everytime I ask myself if my made the right decision, I come to this site and it quelches all doubt. It's been two years and none of my AmQuix friends are anywhere near retirement, nor are they about to quit their JOBS. In fact, although I don't know the intimate details, I'd say most of them are not doing as well financially as they were two years ago, as most have stopped taking vacations, and dinner at a nice restaurant and a movie at the theater has become fast food and a rental. I just wish my friends would wake up from their Ambot brainwashing and start seeing things from an objective view point. |
| June 14, 2002 20:02:03 (GMT Time) |
| Comments: | I am really curious where you come up with all that stuff. I have been in the business and do not purchase 80% of the "business overhead" you say it costs. I hope that when people are researching quixtar, they find a credible source for their information instead of a few people who couldnt do the business for their own reasons. I have and I am making money from this business, love doing it, and hope that others will see the obvious potential in the business. If you want to know what its like being a doctor, are you going to ask someone who failed medical school or a real doctor? Simple question. Ask the millionaire not the bumb who couldnt do it. To clarify, I am not a diamond or a sapphire, or for that matter, emerald or gold or silver. I make money and have fun. |
| June 6, 2002 01:40:22 (GMT Time) |
| Comments: | Have a friend who became an Ambot 15 years ago. Had one son 12 at the time. My friend missed most ball games, school plays, proms because he would spend quality time with his son at Emerald. He never made emerald, and the son just came home from Afghanistan in a pine box. Worst thing is, I introduced my friend to the business, and was with him every step of the way. |
| June 5, 2002 19:45:51 (GMT Time) |
| Comments: | I don't understand how an IBO could lose money, the products are of good quality and Quixtar has a great satisfaction guarantee. If an IBO is not profitable in his/her first 3-6 months, they must be doing something horribly wrong. I use the products personally and they sell like hot cakes to clients/members. I don't know much about Amway but it must have been a lot different back when this business was not on the internet. I get great volume from Partner Stores too, I think this website is adding fuel to the paranoia that surrounds the Amway name and will keep several people from even exploring this opportunity, this is not fair. |
| May 28, 2002 10:27:43 (GMT Time) |
| Comments: | Thank you for the information provided on your web site! I was doing a search for QUIXTAR when I came accross a web page that led me here. After reading through you site I decided to continue my search for information on this site and found some interesting articles with Forbes.com and Fortune500.com. My only suggestion is that more updated information be made available and also many of your links are not working, such as the first severel at the top of the home page. Thank you for saving me from Amway, I had no idea they were linked and even learned that Amway founder's son started Quixtar. Keep up the good fight. Just having an association with Amway is bad enough but knowing it was the same pathetic middle agers who ruined peoples lives that started this is enough reason to stay away. Why would anyone want to make money at the expense of others. |
| May 22, 2002 18:56:44 (GMT Time) |
| Comments: | When I was in the buisness, I was afraid to really compare what I spent vs. what I earned. Years too late, I realized I had lost thousands. And I gave up things I really enjoyed, like cable, vacations, eating out in nice restraunts. Don't been in the dark until it's too late. Open your eyes! It costs Uplines 25 cents to make a cassette tape, and charge us 6 bucks a pop. We are the source of money for upline diamonds, the "quality products" are just a front to get money out of us. Don't waste your lives, your money, your time, to line the pockets of the people who started this scheme. |
| May 20, 2002 15:56:52 (GMT Time) |
| Comments: | This is in reference to the note that references to an earlier note from a brand new IBO. I listen to tapes and read books as I see value in learning. In our group everyone knows that tools are a source of income for the uplines, this fact is mentioned in most of our hotel meetings. A tape costs a little over $6. which is a very low rate for a business consultation on an hourly basis :-) I repeat what I said earlier, its a people's business and you will find all kinds of jerks but then there are people who are doing this with honesty and integrity. There is nothing wrong with Amway core line products, most products are better and more cost effective than other product lines. When I go out and talk about the plan, I represent Amway/Quixtar, if I mess up it gives people a negative image of the company and the kind of people involved, that does not mean that Quixtar does not work. |
| May 19, 2002 10:26:32 (GMT Time) |
| Comments: | Sorry mate, I love it - I've only been in for 6 months and am making enough to cover my car payments and rent. The products are from all kinds of maufactures and well for me quality is never expensive. As far as the tapes and books are concerned, I paid much more in tuition and books for college which got me nothing but a low paying job... |
| May 16, 2002 19:43:22 (GMT Time) |
| Comments: | I am slowy realalzing how hard it is to make it in this bussiness. I have only been in quixtar. They never told me that amway had anything to do with this. One thing that is such a joke is they say that it took amazon.com 3 years to accomplish what quixtar did in one year. What a flippin joke. Amazon did not have millions of people waiting to buy there products. |
| May 15, 2002 16:55:16 (GMT Time) |
| Comments: | Why is it that when someone decides to go to computer school they never boast about becoming the next Bill Gates, but when a dumbass huckleberry gets into the Quixtar business, after a few short tapes they're "Going Diamond". Wake up people. you are being brainwashed! I've been there, I've done that and the odds are not in your favor, just like they were not in mine. Amway North America is toast...how long do you think Quixtar has really got? Do yourself a favor...seek professional help. Signed...one who knows. |
| May 14, 2002 19:18:36 (GMT Time) |
| Comments: | You can and will make money, if you just keep going. By the way if you are dumb enough to buy things you don't need then well there is always someone to take advantage of a sucker . . . one born every minute isn't there . . . I am a 3 year 100PV Pin . . . and this is the greatest thing that has ever happened to me . . . I will do this the rest of my life . . . |
| May 14, 2002 17:00:26 (GMT Time) |
| Comments: | In reference to the message below by: Views of a brand new IBO, going Diamond. Submitted via E-mail You sound like one of there tapes!!!! Step back for a sec and listen to your self. No, better yet record yourself and play it back and every time give your player five bucks everytime you listen to the tape. Or I can read what you wrote, record it on tape, and see it to you monthly just with different peoples voices for $5 a tape and you can go diamond all day long. Personally I told my upline straight up that I would never buy a tape of book and if it is such a tax write off how about you buy all your down line the materials and give your overwelming plantiumship a good tax advantage..... Before you even say well you have to invest in tapes and books to give you an incentive to do well, or have more motovation to go well, keep in mind that they are makeing the money and they are leaching off your dreams. The only reason I ever got into it was because of a product I like |
| May 14, 2002 09:20:21 (GMT Time) |
| Comments: | I was recently talked into going to a Quixtar meeting...after an hour of inspirational stories, like how much time the speaker had to spend with his teenage kids, now that he doesn't work for "the corporate world," I was approached, given buisness cards, asked for my contact information, and begged to "join the plan." All this was very annoying, but not as much as during the presentation, when they talked about all the "points you'll get" in a vague kind of way, and I only understood what the real calculations were becasue I had done some online research before going; in the meeting is wasn't explained very well AT ALL. The IBO I was with said she understood it, but when I asked her to explain it me afterward, she admitted she didn't understand. The other annoying thing - when they were talking about how we would get "loads of money," I guess I wasn't smiling enough, because they kept coming over to me, getting in my face, saying very slowly, "Do...you...understand....? like I had a a mental problem, and I wanted to yell "I understand this scheme perfectly, thanks!!!" But I was being nice, so I didn't say that. Do these upline people really still believe this bull, or are they in denial??? What's the PROBLEM? Thanks for letting me vent! :) |
| May 13, 2002 18:03:15 (GMT Time) |
| Comments: | I still have mixed emotions but as I can see from some of the information that is now being exposed we made the right decision to get out back then. I did some checking up on The Uk side and none of them have made it yet! Yet you are told it is a 3-5 year biz!!! I beleive you can be successful just not maybe with this vehicle......Take Care... |
| May 13, 2002 17:22:53 (GMT Time) |
| Comments: | Hi, Back in the late 90s a freind of mine came over from the Uk to introduce me to the Amway buisness. My wife and I were really excited and actually moved over to England to build our buisness. When it came time to make our names list I had about 10 people who I knew over there keep in mind im now in a whole other country. I had to cold contact people in the middle of the town center, and then make my appointments etc....... I had Bo Shorts tape down pat. We work the biz really hard!!!! For a great deal of time. But even back then I found out the truth, that the real profit is made on the Tools side!!!!!! This was in 1998, I confronted my Emerald and he just remained very silent!!! Even if you can make it in this buisness the people that I was involved with were not honest with us at that time. Im sorry but I cant be invovled with people who are not honest....Why would you want to be? I still have mixed emotions but as I can see from some of the information that is now being exposed w |
| May 13, 2002 17:21:07 (GMT Time) |
| Comments: | I was solicited by an Amway IBO about five years ago. He told me I could financially retired in five years. I did not buy it one bit. He was obnoxious and got the audacity to tell me that I need Amway more than Amway needs me. I have changed my career shortly after that solicitation. I became an investor in the stock market. I made a good fortune in the stock market including returns of 39% and 62% in the past two years. Meanwhile MR. IBO is still recruiting new members, attending seminars, and coming home late. Shouldn't he be in the Bahamas, basking in the sun and checking out the BABES. Keep up the good work. I know your criticisms are based on facts not generalizations rendered by Amway/Quitar hard-liners. |
| May 13, 2002 14:24:19 (GMT Time) |
| Comments: |
Hi,
I must comment that the views on this website although largely negative are helpful full for someone evaluating the business opportunity. People should do their due dilligence before buying into the plan, this business requires some guts and teamwork to work correctly.
Please post this on your site as well. I have been involved in the Quixtar business for the past 6 weeks. I have been using the products and have found them to be of very good quality. We made $132 worth of sales to our first client who is so happy with the products that we have been promised referrals. My friends do more than 700-800 PV of retail every month. That is a lot of $$ in profit. People say the products are over-priced. I have a very simple question : over-priced compared to what? I have found prices to be very competitive and most core line items are very cost-effective. Clients who buy 100s of PVs of products from an IBO are not dumb, they get good value for their money. It is very stupid, IMHO, to think that just doing 100 PV and doing nothing other than recruting others to do the same can make you rich. This is a people's business and there are many people who have done a lot of stupid things to make a mockery of it. I also do not understand why people have a problem with buying tools and attending seminars. If they are serious about learning how to run the business they should to be ready to get educated. I had no problems with getting 16 years of education to get an engineering degree to find a good job only to find that over 4 years two of the companies I worked for have gone out of business. If a someone is willing to teach me how he made it, what is my problem????? This is by no means a get quick rich scheme, for people who expect to be millionaires overnight, this is not it, but for people who want to take control of their lives and are looking for income security, this is the right vehicle. People say, Oh I lost so much money on tapes e.g $500 over a period of a year and nothing happened. Well, what business on earth runs without some dollars invested and focused effort. I started off with 5-6 hours per week, now I invest at least 15 hours a week because I see the value. I hope people stop lying when they share the plan about instant riches and no effort involved. Someone who enters the business with the intention of taking control of his/her financial future should be ready to put in the effort as well. Usually people just quit and post a negative article on the web on how and why this business does not work, which makes the job of fresh IBOs like me a lot harder. Views of a brand new IBO, going Diamond. |
| Submitted via E-mail |
| Comments: | I joined Amway in 1994 with my daughter. She soon backed out of the picture and my first bad experience happened when I called in an order to my upline. She bit my head off and said that she would only accept calls between 8 and 9 p.m. on Sunday night. I worked a full-time job and often didn't get home from work until late. We settled that dispute by having me call her upline who accepted a call anytime. I never made any money. I bought the products and spent hours trying to decide if indeed they were better than Windex or Tide. In the meantime the family moved further away. I was picking the products up from their home and it was too hard for me to get to their new residence. Another lady recruited me who would deliver the products to my work. Great! How exciting, isn't this exciting? She would often say to me. |
| May 3, 2002 00:08:59 (GMT Time) |
| Comments: | Yeah! I love this site! Always entertaining! Thank you for helping people see the truth. There is quite a funny article this week on www.theonion.com called - "I Lied About Making $80,000 Working From Home... And So Can You!" It reminded me of a Quixtar meeting I went to... |
| May 2, 2002 21:59:18 (GMT Time) |
| Comments: | I attended my first Singleton Leadership Conference last weekend in Palm Springs and was very impressed with what the "testimonials" of the speakers. But it had a sort of manipulative, "religious cultic" atmosphere. I mentioned to the couple that invited me that I was very impressed but wanted to do some more research before I signed up. When they warned me to be careful who I listened to I realized that I needed to find out "The rest of the story." Your web site is very helpful! |
| May 2, 2002 03:03:11 (GMT Time) |
| Comments: | I am in the Britt line of sponsorship in Larry Winters' group and can honestly say that my experience has been a positive one over the past 18 months. I have been given all the support I have asked for. I was not loaded up with tools, but was given the tools I needed in the beginning and decided to purchase my own as time went on. I was never told that I needed to buy the tools in order to receive support from my upline. The "tool income" issue has not been an issue. It has been promoted as another source of income once you reach the Platinum level. I don't have a problem with profiting from a business system as long as the prices are fair and the products/services are good and the compensation structure is legal.
I am currently at 4000 PV, my checks have been anywhere from $1400.00 to $1800.00. Last month's check was $1749.00. There is retail profit, PV/BV uplift for the Double X promotion, PV/BV uplift for the Artristry promotion (both of these raise the BV to PV ratio on each product-although that won't be forever). All of these factors affect the bonus check that I and my downline receive (directly from Quixtar) around the 23rd of every month. The bonus check includes more than just the bonus calculated by BV*bonus_bracket. ====================== Numbers for March_02: 4102PV/10090.92BV $1749.28 (includes $1343.74 performance bonus & 405.26 Retail Profit from my Client sales through the website) Total Downline Payout = $775.26 Performance Bonus I don't see what my downline's retail profit payout is. That's something I'd like to see Quixtar add to the activity statement. If you don't teach your group to market the most profitable products available to them, you won't have profitable IBO's in your downline. When IBO's aren't profitable, they quit. In closing, I do agree with Scott on at least one issue regarding the Quixtar business - you do have to market products in order to have a profitable group. Afterall, it is a business. If you're an IBO reading this and you don't market your products to clients and members, you're missing out on a huge opportunity. I have no problem using 150 PV worth of my own products being single and I retail 250-275 PV worth of products. Most of my volume comes from the exclusive lines (Nutrilite Vitamins, Amway products) because I choose to market the health and nutrition products based on profitablilty. I don't do a lot of partner store volume retail, however some in my group have had very good success with Wireless Marketplace and Catalog City. I agree with the site author's recommendation to weigh, very heavily, the value of choosing your line of sponsorship wisely. The Britt/Winters group has shown nothing but respect and honesty. I'm sure there are other groups out there that do as well, but I can only speak for mine. |
| May 2, 2002 Submitted via E-mail |
| Comments: | Just want to say thanks for saying the truth. What a ripoff this company is. Is it a cult? Boy is it ever!!! Many of my famiy memebers have lost thier ass in this business(and I say that so loosly!!!) I cant wait till they make it illegal for this to keep going on!! Wish I could have shown them this page before they joined and they recruit at record numbers to this day but only by changing names to quixstar etc... Thanks for speaking out. Kevin C |
| April 29, 2002 05:30:18 (GMT Time) |
| Comments: | Well, I looked at all the information I could get my hands on. Bottom line is if you believe in this stuff (Quixtar) then go for it. I had a hard time believing any of this since their FULL financial records are kept secret. I am almost 30 years old with a 5 year old at home nearing the completion of a degree in Management and Finance then on to get my MBA. This is my way to get ahead. If you think the Amway mode is better then go for it. However, I would ask yourself, would you want your kids to go to college or sell Amway? |
| April 28, 2002 23:58:38 (GMT Time) |
| Comments: | You did a good job writing the article, but if u know of a way to make more money than I am making now in Quixtar, pls show it to me, and I'll see what u have to offer me compare to what Quixtar is offering me right now.:) Otherwise, thanks for your wonderful words here, and thanks for promoting our tapes for us.:) |
| April 28, 2002 20:55:32 (GMT Time) |
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In April 1973, we attended Crown Ambassadors Bill and Peggy Britt's very first Family Reunion in Asheville, NC, with then Double Diamond Dexter Yager serving as Guest Speaker. The entire weekend was terrific! From that weekend, over 29 years ago, we chased our Amway/Quixtar dreams of a beautiful home and lifestyle, with our five children successfully following our example in reaching their dreams. But we couldn't put it together because, admittedly, we didn't believe it was possible. We "wanted" it desperately, but just didn't believe, and we accept full responsibility for this. So why didn't we step back and review our time and investment? Naivety. We were hooked on the dreams that were sold to us in the books, tapes and functions, even to the exclusion of basic common sense. Using Scott Larson's analogy, we can dream of flying, but nothing will happen unless we apply principles of physics. today, again after 29 years and 5 attempts in 5 different lines of sponsorship, we learn that over twenty-thousand dollars we invested in the "system" of books, tapes and functions, not including travel expenses incurred, were actually generating a profit for our upline Direct Distributors. In the words of Rich DeVos (cassette VA 2160, 1983), "that's out and out illegal!" But it's more than that. It conflicts with fundamental principles that establish and build trust! How can an Emerald or Diamond help downline in good faith while at the same time realizing a healthy profit from downline's tool investments? It leads to the overwhelming temptation to discriminate and coerce to maintain system income, and generates a disproportionately high turnover of new Independent Business Owners (IBO's) with average backgrounds. We are disappointed and hurting deeply. We thought this was our vehicle to success one day. We assume partial responsibility for not succeeding in the business. But we sincerely hope that those who are profiting from the "system," above and beyond legitimate reimbursement for basic expenses, will someday accept responsibility for personal gain at the expense of others. It's time for change, a paradigm shift, or it's time for Alticor, Amway and Quixtar to close up shop in Ada. We greatly admire our upline and Rich and Jay. They are dear friends. We hope they will soon make the tough decisions and do it right, before the business implodes. Joe and Sharon Starbuck Britt Worldwide Maryville, TN |
| April 25, 2002 21:06:45 (GMT Time) Submitted via E-mail |
| Comments: | I recently attended a Quixtar meeting where my oldest son was recognised for going platnum and for being the "Top Gun" in his organization. It appaled me how the speakers encouraged the attendees to stay from all negetavisim ie. anybody who doesn't agree with the buisness. My son says he's making big money and will soon be "free", which leads me to believe he will be enslaved to endless meetings and "showing the plan" I know the truth of his financial status, and on the outside he looks successfull, but I know the truth. I just would like to know whats up with the dark suits, white shirts, and red ties??? One can't succeed whearing a tweed sport jacket?? |
| April 23, 2002 05:43:45 (GMT Time) |