Last archive 01/25/2003 Note: Comments not related to your personal experience will be deleted.
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| Comments: | Some of my friends have been trying to talk me into Quixtar, can anyone here give me some advice? I'm 22 and not making much money and could really use the income. The people here seem to have really strong views for and against it, but who's really telling the truth? Some people call Amway a cult - it that true? I've heard people saying that people in Amway like to have sex with their children and that they all snort cocaine and worship Satan. I've heard that the woman go to the conventions and get passed around like trading cards, but this doesn't make sense to me since I've also heard that Amway products make you impotent and someone else here said that all the men in Amway are gay? |
| May 29, 2003 14:52:51 (GMT Time) |
| Comments: | All the level headed and "in control" people should just forget about the shallow minded people who are just unable to "see" what we "see" and go on supporting each other and being positive about something we all want to be doing. We don't have to listen or let some irate out of control person, dictate to us. I feel sorry for him/her. Its kind of like road rage. Interpersonal problems. I THINK ITS A WONDERFUL DAY AND I AM GOING TO HAVE A GREAT ONE!! Hope you all do too. Think positive!!!!!!!!!!! We showed 12 plans this month and have 2 people very interested!! Platinum here we come!! The summer conference is gonna be great! Great friends, laughs and incentive. See you there!! Salt Lake City Utah. |
| May 29, 2003 13:55:52 (GMT Time) |
| Comments: | Listen up, Im at a very high level in the bisness.And I make zero money off the tools.I make 100% of my money from products that are distributed thru my bisness.Yes you heard right 100%.And I don't know about those other groups who cheat and steal and do not obey the rules.I do the bisness right, the way Rich De vos and Jay Van Andel wants it to be.Your probably going to think Im lieing, but do you want to know how much money I make. More in one month then you make in one year. |
| May 29, 2003 06:33:27 (GMT Time) |
| Comments: | It is true, the bigger the opportunity or challenge..the bigger the opposition. I agree with the person who said it gave them a sense of self worth and confidence to land the job they wanted. It is worth the money to me also just for that reason. Fortuneatly we are making money and meeting lots of new positive people we really enjoy being around. Supportive and fun. I really enjoy the meetings..it really helps me deal with my day job and all the negative people that work there. They are not ALL negative but alot of the upper management is and can be very demanding and stressful, while feeling totally unappreciated and a robot. Thank you Quixtar for some confidence and making me feel important.And the money is good too! |
| May 29, 2003 02:07:22 (GMT Time) |
| Comments: | The person who said "A dream is a goal that won't be realized?" If that were true we wouldn't have technology. You're weird. Actually scarey. If it weren't for dreaming, I wouldn't be married or have children or the future I have built. You're young aren't you? Its sad that you have nothing to look forward to. Even if you fail....you didn't even try. |
| May 28, 2003 02:56:05 (GMT Time) |
| Comments: | First I would like to say I'm an IBO, who is not currently building the business, nor am I making any profit, nor am I spending any money or time on the business. Well that about says it all really, so that summery of all the elaborite data is that it is what you make of it. I made nothing of it and I got nothing in return. All those data computations can also be applied to athletes, as well, however the athletes that made it can tell you what to do to get there. The ones that didn't can't tell you anything other then they failed. They can speculate about why sports do not work for them, but they are not me. I may not be building the Quixtar opportunity, and I may not be making a profit, nor am I making much on my current contracting company. Which bye the way, do the math on contracting companies, or self employed people. Most have higher expense then any other business and produce very little profit. So why do anything at all with the odd against you. The a |
| May 28, 2003 01:56:13 (GMT Time) |
| Comments: | Amway is a cult, pure and simple. Amway's been around for a long time. If it were really that simple to make such a fantastic income, why doesn't everyone do it? Because it's not that simple. Because most people don't make a fantastic income. And you've been brainwashed into thinking that it's other people who are the problem. All you need is a dream? Baloney. A dream is a goal that won't be realized. A dream is wishful thinking. You want to succeed in life, spend more time thinking and less time dreaming. You people are all lucky you didn't live during Hitler's regime - he would have sent you, your water filters and your soaps into the ovens for some quality time. Think of all the prospecting you could have done in there! |
| May 27, 2003 18:09:14 (GMT Time) |
| Comments: | The life we all deserve aND WANT. So...save all you negative input for your friends, who think the same. |
| May 27, 2003 17:21:28 (GMT Time) |
| Comments: | Do people on this feedback site know that Quixtar has only been around since 1999 and Amway no longer exists? Yes, it is the same principle as Amway, but much more convienient being online. Amway you had to deliver product ,it wasn't delivered by courier. Quixtar is a do it yourself kind of shopping. I love ditto delivery. IT comes every month. Just what I need. I have more time to spend on my day off...not shopping or having to get ready to go shopping. I spend more time with my kids on my day off. ANd I get paid for it too. What is wrong with wanting to have a better life and sit on the beaches of the world? Isn't why they are there? We do not do anything on the backs of others. What do you think conventional jobs do? Please give us a break. My conventional job pays well but the people and the politics are horrible. Not one positive thing about my conventional job other than the pay. At least in Quixtar I get positive things going into my brain and an appreciation for the life |
| May 27, 2003 17:19:04 (GMT Time) |
| Comments: | Nothing works 100% of the time and for everyone. Don't know what to tell you. I am just not saying what YOU want to hear. Sorry. You have your opinion and thats fine. I have mine too. Have a happy life. You are a very negative person. Get over it and move on. |
| May 27, 2003 17:00:23 (GMT Time) |
| Comments: | Can I ask a question to the people who say that Quixtar worked for them? Given how many pages and pages of negative experiences are listed on this feedback page, do you honestly believe that all these people failed at Quixtar because they didn't work hard enough? Isn't it more likely Quixtar failed them? Amquix seems to me to be like one of those expensive premium lotteries where the tickets cost $100 or more. Of course the guy who wins will say it was worth it, but can he claim that it was anything more than luck that landed him the money? That's the difference between spending your money on Amway versus, say, education. A decent education may not guarantee you a job, but it sure as heck improves your chances. |
| May 27, 2003 16:49:32 (GMT Time) |
| Comments: | A person is a product of his own thoughts. Did you get where you are thinking you could? or couldn't? Fear is a killer of ANY dream. I was petrified to buy a 4 plex, thinking I could lose everything if it didn't work. I was WRONG. It is one of the best things I ever did. Passive income and very little work. Quixtar will be our next good thing we tackle. Alot of work with lots of reward. Our upline are great people and we have learned alot as people. We have experienced postive things if only in relationships and made money along the way. |
| May 27, 2003 16:23:50 (GMT Time) |
| Comments: | (here's betting that Amway-Joe can't respond without using a cliché) |
| May 27, 2003 16:09:32 (GMT Time) |
| Comments: | Sure there are people who make millions with a high school education: they're called drug dealers and (if we believe you) Amway IBOs. Both contribute about the same to society and deserve the same contempt. You are correct that opinions are like assholes. So are braindead Amway cheerleaders... |
| May 27, 2003 16:05:22 (GMT Time) |
| Comments: | Quixtar rocks!!! Opinions are like assholes. Everybody has one. And yours stinks!! See ya on the beach. Education has nothing to do with making money, honey. Plenty of high school educated millionaire's to go around. Open the mind, not the mouth!! |
| May 27, 2003 15:49:49 (GMT Time) |
| Comments: | To the Toronto-area IBO posting below: Congratulations! If what you've said is true and, in two years, you will indeed be making $100K+ while staying at home with the wife 'n kids, kudos to you! You must be proud to be standing on the backs of the hundreds to whom you sold your dream while they live in abject poverty in the Jane & Finch area (the Toronto equivalent of South-Central LA). Well done - you've screwed your fellow man so that you can sit on the beaches of the world. How noble you are! How magnanimous! Thanks so much for your contribution to society! Sheessh... |
| May 27, 2003 15:43:46 (GMT Time) |
| Comments: | My wife and I have been involved for a number of years and not only love the business but she is retired now at 38 because of it. My goal is two years to be home full time with my family with a six figure income coming in. A JOB(just over broke) could NEVER afford me this. This is the best opportunity on the planet period. I am in the Toronto area and city living is expensive - read the papers - people are losing their jobs everyday! There is no such thing as job security anymore. Instead of watching life happen go out and make it happen. Our upline EDC says"two men buy an exercise bike. One doesn't lose any weight. Nothing wrong with bike - wrong with rider. You need to work this business like anything else. This will just pay you more in the long run. See you IBO's on the beaches of the world! |
| May 27, 2003 14:03:19 (GMT Time) |
| Comments: | I have a "good job". They must have brain washed me. Mike DG |
| May 25, 2003 23:19:09 (GMT Time) |
| Comments: | Great site! I was sucked into Amway (literally!) by a strapping young buck from Detroit. He described it to me as a wholesaler-cum-social club where the dollars flowed freely and love was cheap. At my first meeting, I met my sponsor's upline, and man, the repressed-homosexual tension was palpable! I mean, this bear shook my hand for so long and smiled so widely that, if we were back at my club, we would've hit the bathroom, like right then! The more I met the people, the more I could tell that every guy was just looking for a reason to come out. I swear, there wasn't a straight guy in the room, even the guys with wives, they knew what their man really wanted...somewhat like me. Anyway, I got genital herpes and lost my cash and my wad, so that was about it... |
| May 25, 2003 01:16:24 (GMT Time) |
| Comments: | I have been successful with the Quixtar business model from the 1st month. I have not lost any money and actually have made more profit in 2 years than my other 2 "traditional" businesses. It is the only business model that allows someone to succeed without a major capital investment. Where else can you have a $150 million website and support team, and they do all the updating, legal, bring on the new partner stores, and have printed catalogs available for cost? No where. I own a office supply company as well and to have that support and website and catalogs would cost way to much. Thank you Worldwide and Quixtar. |
| May 23, 2003 18:45:10 (GMT Time) |
| Comments: | to the idiot that says that the folks who are succesful with Quixtar are stupid - YOUR the stupid one!!!!sowhat if we dont have you're fancy degrees and papers and such - WE know that Quixtar is the best busness opportunty ANYWHERES! so why dont you take your holeyer than thou commie atitude and GO BACK TO RUSSIA!!!we patriots will stay here and get RICH! |
| May 23, 2003 16:52:28 (GMT Time) |
| Comments: | I'm a religious man, and I thought that joining Quixtar would strengthen my faith. I bought all the tools, learned the Quixtar gospel, preached the faith to the heathens and had my fair share of conversions, too. I thought I was doing God's work. I was driving back from a meeting in Tulsa when I had a vision of the sweet baby Jesus. I had to pull over. I realized that QUIXTAR MAKES BABY JESUS CRY! |
| May 23, 2003 12:47:48 (GMT Time) |
| Comments: | English 101: Amquix IBO corners Prospect. Amquix IBO starts sales pitch. Run, Prospect, run! |
| May 23, 2003 12:39:05 (GMT Time) |
| Comments: | To all you pro-Amquix posters: If you can't write a rational argument in a comprehensible format, might I suggest that you free up a few pennies towards your next SA8 purchase by unplugging your circa-1990 computer from your trailer home's sole electrical outlet? An even better investment might be using these savings to purchase a grade 4 English textbook. |
| May 23, 2003 12:35:39 (GMT Time) |
| Comments: | Why is it that those who post about leaving Amquix seem to be well spoken with a good grasp of logic, while the pro-Amquix posters, on the other hand, seem to need remedial training in logic, spelling and grammar? Their credibility as educated 'business leaders' might improve if they could complete a logical thought or compose a sentence free of fallacious argument or improper grammar. |
| May 23, 2003 12:32:21 (GMT Time) |
| Comments: | All of you that are Complaining have one problem. You are not applying what you (should be)are reading and listening to. Positive mental attitude will always gain you more. If you think this business (BWW) is all about the money then you are mistaken. It's all about the heart and everything is up to you. You don't have to do anything you don't want to do, it's all up to you. And if you are getting of feeling pressure then you need to one, tell this person you are, cause there should never be any pressure and two, get a better character (that you'll learn through the books) and make your business work. There is only two things that separte a Millionare and a Ditch Digger: 1)The way they think 2)What they do in their spare time. There's no PV in TV. Have a great day. |
| May 23, 2003 02:38:07 (GMT Time) |
| Comments: | This is the most idotic page of lies I've ever seen. I'm an average IBO who's been in for 3 months and my PV has reach well over 700 and this month it will be well over 1000 |
| May 23, 2003 02:25:11 (GMT Time) |
| Comments: | Who's goin Diamond?! |
| May 22, 2003 02:13:52 (GMT Time) |
| Comments: | Our upline Emerald would say that we would live like no other. He does. He travels 7 hrs. to "build depth" and 7 back in the same night twice a week. Shows min. 12 plans a wk. PLUS the reg. meetings. Allows one hr. on sat. & sun. for his kids. His wife considers the open meeting date night!!! Takes 30 plus calls a day to "counsel". No peace, no quiet, no sleep, NO FREEDOM that is promised!!! All this after 10 yrs to get their. Live like no other....He can have it!!! Beware, these guys are so brain washed they don't even realize what they're teaching is the OPPOSITE of the truth. Such as 2-5 yrs diamond and freedom. Yeah right!! |
| May 21, 2003 02:25:26 (GMT Time) |
| Comments: | Joined Amway in late '93. Worked the business and lost count of the number of people sponsored, tools purchased, miles driven and late-night pizza'a eaten. I stayed in a low-paying geographic area after leaving the military to be near my upline. Worked for $8.00 an hour and made up the rest in liquidating $35,000 in savings bonds and other assets - all in the name of the system and the promise. Stay away from this money and time vacuum!!!! today, I'm a sucessfull employee of a major defense contractor and make VERY good money. I'm nearly out of the debt brought on by Amway and my credit has been repaired to the point of actually having a rating now. You are not a looser if you leave "the business" You are a wise winner! Stew Texas |
| May 20, 2003 01:13:17 (GMT Time) |
| Comments: | In one yr. we achieved Eagle structure & av. 1500pv/mo. Our primary problems lie w/theological issues in BWW. The Word of Faith movement is clearly at work here, as evidenced by the "speaking it" and recomended reading like "The Tongue, the Creative Force" by Charles Capps. Christians beware! Capps, Avanzini, Hinn, Creflow Dollar & Kenneth Copeland are heavily promoted, yet are PROVEN false prophets (ref. "Christianity in Crisis" by Hank Hanagraaf). |
| May 17, 2003 02:31:39 (GMT Time) |
| Comments: | Quixtar money can buy you a better state of misery though. You say your friends are no better off than 10 years ago...but then you go on to say lots of money can't buy you happiness. Did they make the money or not? |
| May 17, 2003 00:35:29 (GMT Time) |
| Comments: | You could do a doctorial thesis on this subject. You really know your stuff, and little do you know you have probably saved a few lives as well. I watched several of my friends lose their livelyhood getting brainwashed by Amway and Quixtar. They've been doing it for years and are no better off than they were ten years ago. I've been approached so many times but I'd rather earn my money the old fashioned way. My philosophy is that having lots of money isn't always the key to happiness. Doug |
| May 16, 2003 19:28:01 (GMT Time) |
| Comments: | Yeah we loved our upline too, until we decided to think for ourselves and they showed us their true colors. But, I have to excuse them because they had the misfortune of being part of the team longer than we were and therefore have had a lot more brainwashing. REAL FREEDOM is when you get away from the team. Don't be afraid to have your own opinions and think for yourselves. DO YOUR HOMEWORK AND DON"T BE AFRAID OF THE TRUTH!!!!! |
| May 15, 2003 21:38:15 (GMT Time) |
| Comments: | Excellent job on conducting analysis of Amway/Quixtar business concept. I was approached by an IBO with the downline of 200 or so to join Quixtar. Coming from the world of business development, I have the greater advantage and edge in determining the opportunities available. The key success of Amway/Quixtar business model is to control the "average joes" these are people with no experience in business development or management. Therefore they're vulnerable and easy to be controlled. To my knowledge, they are expanding the company's operation through other cultural communities. Precisely the Chinese market, since most of these chinese people are not fluent with English to perform researches and investigation on the internet. I think it would be very helpful to have a translation of this page targeted for Chinese audiences. Also if you have time, please look into www.goldquest.com and it would be excellent to provide detail information concerning the business. Thank you. |
| May 15, 2003 15:53:35 (GMT Time) |
| Comments: | I quit, thanks to you. Great website! You stole my dream...err...my uplines' dream, which was washed into my vulnerable psyche thru massive sessions of tapes-books-functions. I am in recovery. I have seen the big houses and the fancy cars and I know the money that paid for that Diamond lifestyle came from the paychecks of their faithful, unsuspecting downlines. If the downlines knew 85% of Diamond lifestyle was funded by system profits thru sales of BSMs and function tickets, there wouldn't be a System for long. Keep up the good work. And for you 1%ers that 'made' it with the System...TPIN. Go sell some soap. Get a real business like your upline heroes. Their real business in selling you hope and tapes and function tickets and voicemail and... |
| May 15, 2003 00:46:38 (GMT Time) |
| Comments: | Not that it all sounded too good to be true, but it was just a gut instinct for me that kept me away from that second Thursday night seminar. It just all seemed a little too fake to me - the people, the promises & the way the messages were quickly delivered. I guess it's those hidden senses - thank god I didn't get sucked in. |
| May 14, 2003 18:42:38 (GMT Time) |
| Comments: | You guys know that part of the plan that shows only one percent of Americans being financially independant by retirement. Guess what? The statistics in Quixtar are much worse. If you ignorant greedy guys want to help somebody or do some good, try volunteering at a homeless shelter or something. They don't care about a job mentality. They wish they were worried about something so greedy or selfish. Take it from someone with a Doctorate in Business, "You are being Scammed" |
| May 14, 2003 07:38:37 (GMT Time) |
| Comments: | I find it amazing how all these folks making so much money have the time or the desire to come on this type of site ( information site). And till us all who have been in the business and know the truth how well their doing. My experience in the past (WWDB), is that they are instructed by there upline to do so. Fake it tell you make it. So sad. |
| May 14, 2003 02:48:30 (GMT Time) |
| Comments: | You didn't have a very good support team then. We love our upline and have never seen them do anything unethical. I agree with the guy who has been doing this 2 years totally!! Its the best deal going. Not bad for part time Some people have bad experiences which is too bad....mine has been good, along with hundreds more. Notice how "upset" the negative commenters sound? Who is it you are really trying to convince? |
| May 14, 2003 00:55:14 (GMT Time) |
| Comments: | Of course the negative experience that my husband and I had was not with the corporation, I'm sure Devos and VanAndel never imagined people would turn it into the cult it is today. But the corporation isn't the one working with you to build your business, it's your UPLINE, the people!!! My husband and I reached the 6000 level and not one single year in the 6 1/2 years that we were building it did we EVER show a profit on our taxes. You've only been doing this for 2 years? Give it a couple more and you will come out of your fog. Job mentality??? Can you speak and think for yourself?? Do you have any words of your own?? Or are you another AMWAY robot???? We have more money now than we ever did when we were building Amway and loading our uplines pockets with our hard earned money. |
| May 13, 2003 21:24:46 (GMT Time) |
| Comments: | I have been building my business supported by Quixtar for two years now about 10-15 hrs a week. Unlike your lame excuses for why this business doesn't work and isn't profitable, I have had excellent success with my business. This year I have made $3000 to $4000/mo with $15000 coming in bonuses for being a Q-12 Platinum in November 2003. I am a business owner outside of Quixtar and have never seen a downside in this business except for sites like this that give "job mentality" people the impression that they can't make this work. This business works. If people have had negative experiences, it is always with people they worked with and never the corporation. There is no other "better deal" out there. If there was, you would be criticizing it too. |
| May 13, 2003 20:34:58 (GMT Time) |
| Comments: | My husband and I have been in Quixtar now for only 4 months. We personally have associated with people in our "neighborhood" who are doing very well for themselves and have only been doing it a short time (1-2 yrs) I think they should eliminate Amway from this site also. Amway no longer exists in the United States.They should title it only Quixtar now. I guess the only point I want to make is the one your mother told you when you were little......you can accomplish anything you want to...if you want it bad enough. There are plenty of people who told Mel Gibson he would NEVER be a recognized actor. EVER! And to give it up. He was turned down over and over and over by agents. Alot of people have made it in this business, but wouldn't have ,if they had listened to the majority. That is why there are so few. And will continue to be. |
| May 13, 2003 01:12:19 (GMT Time) |
| Comments: | My husband and I were part of Quixtar/Amway for 6 1/2 long years. It started out great and we worked hard and lost A LOT of money. As long as we were doing everything our upline said, they were willing to help us. When we made decisions for ourselves about personal matters,(such as me staying home with our child without asking their "permission", that's when the backstabbing and alienation started. My sister told me once that she thought it was a cult, but I answered angrily that she was wrong. I now believe that some groups such as the one we were part of operates much like a cult. One of the reasons we left was that we felt we saw too many things our upline did and said that were unethical, although they spoke much differently in front of the group. Of course no one is perfect, but we felt we could no longer respect them enough to make our life decisions for us and our family!! Of course they proved us right by never talking to us and saying crap about us when we left. Ha Ha |
| May 12, 2003 23:41:38 (GMT Time) |
| Comments: | "...the average person doesnt do anything except buy a kit, some tapes and books. They dont listen to them or read them and if they do, they dont follow what is said on those materials. Then they blame their upline for their own inactivity." This is an example of the common cult tactic known as "doctrine over person," meaning that doctrine never fails, only people do. Scientology plays the same game; the "tech" of L. Ron Hubbard is infallible; if it doesn't work for you, it's YOUR fault, not the "tech." Don't drink that Kool-Aid!! |
| May 12, 2003 22:43:10 (GMT Time) |
| Comments: | I will agree on the matter of Quixtar product pricing. I could tell it was higher than say Walmart, albertson's...but the product itself lasts alot longer and is of a better quality than what I was buying. Like the lotion. It is thicker and lasts much longer. I love the ditto delivery. We are excited to be in the business. Its all in your attitude. |
| May 10, 2003 00:21:35 (GMT Time) |
| Comments: | I was in the Amway/Quixtar business for five years. I started out fast 1000pv first month 4000pv within three. This is very doable as you use your friends and family. All was love love love for about three years, then it started. The upline as well as my self were unable to build any sizable business under me. Cost mounted. Like a poor insect in a spider web I was caught. Thousands spent, I woke up. Look at the success of the organization. Go to WWDB web sight. The diamonds you see are the same ones for the last 10 years plus. Ask serious questions. Why would someone as successful as some writing here be at this sight. WWDB leaders will lie, cheat and steal to maintain their life style. |
| May 6, 2003 14:21:50 (GMT Time) |
| Comments: | In any business you have to be wise. I was told by my sponsor and other growing upline immediately - "Don't go in debt for this. Be wise and build it with good stewardship of your time and money." I have read some comments about astronomical tool costs in this business. I spend about $60/month on the tools. My wife and I actually make enough back from Quixtar to pay for all of our everyday stuff that we would buy somewhere else, like Walmart, Target or SAM's. On top of that we have profit left over and we aren't even Platinum yet! We have been in for 4 months! Also, on the exlusives, I have done side by side price comparisons with Walmart name brand products. If you take into consideration the per/unit price (most Quixtar cleaning products last much longer/more concentrated/work better) Walmart ends up being a penny more/unit on most items if you are an IBO or member. My friends love our health stuff (protein bars, etc) and pay less for them than other high quality protein bar |
| May 6, 2003 08:40:47 (GMT Time) |
| Comments: | I am extremely grateful that my sponsor offered the business to me! The team is awesome! In my third month I hit 4000pv and was paid $1500 and some change because I focused my ambition and energy into following the advice of the truly successful people in my upline instead of being a know-it-all and trying to do it my own way. In my life I have known many broke people who worked a job their entire life, clipped coupons, and shopped at Walmart. I don't know a single one that is better off now than 20 years ago or one who has made a significant impact or truly had a meaningful and purposeful life. They jump in an income circle and let someone else control them for the rest of their life, or so they think until they find themselves laid off and out of work like the 2,000,000 plus this year alone. Jobs are good to pay the bills and supply what you need temporarily, but sometime in life you have to wake up and realize you aren't doing anything truly significant. The problem with most |
| May 6, 2003 07:48:59 (GMT Time) |
| Comments: | I am a new Quixtar IBO in the WWDB system. I just got back from my 1st function and I'm going for the Eagle pin. I have 6 IBOs--3 in width and the rest in depth. I have lost -$170 after receiving the standing order video for $20. I did get a performance bonus check for $36 last month, but that was not enough to cover the tools, function, and misc. expenses I've accumulated thus far. Should I focus more on retailing the XS drink? They told me I could make $60,000 a year with only 30 people under me each with 10 clients on XS buying 4 12 packs a month. 4x30x$20x10=$24,000x12=$288,000! Golly, that's a bunch of cans of XS! Any advice? I really loved the function; I felt a 'pop' in my mind. It just makes sense. |
| May 5, 2003 21:34:15 (GMT Time) |
| Comments: | I feel embarassed to have jumped into Amway based on trust and the belief that I could make it work for me. I worked hard, showed The Plan, went on convention trips, bought all the tapes and books (I have about 300 tapes in a box in my basement. Know anyone who wants them?!!) I had some fun, got enthusiastic, but wasted alot of money! |
| May 5, 2003 01:29:54 (GMT Time) |
| Comments: | Thanks to this website(true or not), It will helped me ask better questions, THINK clearly, and make the best possible business decision. There are great people in Quixtar and also Sales(Fake) people in Quixtar. I sincerely hope that everybody succeed in what they choose to do. Good Luck All! Survival of the Fittest, and that's Captialism for you! |
| May 4, 2003 18:45:19 (GMT Time) |
| Comments: | I have been working for a long time in the retail business. Large company. The politics kills me. My boss can end my career in the swipe of a pen on a piece of paper. I am 46 years old and they can always hire someone younger and cheaper than I. So...We joined Quixtar. With the strong work habits you develope over years , we will make this work. Its not a matter of if....but when. Thanks for the positive words. We need more of them. |
| May 3, 2003 01:20:06 (GMT Time) |
| Comments: | my expierience has been positive. i am a 53 year old man, not a big shot in the business or the sharpest pencil in the box, but in 1990 at the age of 40 my company of 17 years started jerking me around, that's when i started to build my networking business with a purpose and my business started to grow. it has paid me a full time income since 1992, i'm not a wealthy man but i have made a terrific income for years. we just built a brand new house, put my oldest child through his first year of a private university and we have traveled a lot as a family. i have learned a ton (terrific support system), and bettered myself. nothing is perfect, our there jerks in the quixtar business, of course, just like any business. when you understand that there are cycles to business (ups and downs), any business, that's the nature of business and you work through them you will create a long term business and an income stream that's hard to beat. as a primary income or an addition to your current incom |
| May 2, 2003 16:38:07 (GMT Time) |
| Comments: | Hi I recently went to a quixtar seminar/cult meeting. I was really thinking about trying this out until I did this. Everyone can use some extra cash in there lives so when this was prestented to me I thought sure why not see whats it about. Before I went I did some research on the web, and I came across your site. Boy am I glad I did, I still went with a some what open mind A good friend of mine was the one who contacted me about this. I printed some of the questions from your site to ask ( big mistake lol) all I got was the run around , like you said I would. In short all that came about was after I asked these questions I was branded a loser who didn't want to work and get ahead. Ya know i'm a union steamfitter/plumber in Toledo, I make 27.30 an hour which by anyones standard is a lot of money. And if you know anyone in the trades any one it's not easy work or clean, so I really took offense to his remark and when a couple others started to say the same thing it got ugly. when you th |
| May 1, 2003 05:02:48 (GMT Time) |
| Comments: | I once tried Amway. I didn't quit. I failed. My upline was wonderful. I failed, because I ran out of money and due to the business itself. The business ethics presented are great, but the foundation is bogus. I suggest anyone who is interested, to do the math. How many people, given the human pop. could actually go Diamond? Do the math, and see. ;) My Email is Chefathome2@aol.com if you have questions. -Doc- P.S. Britt is a genious. Not for his ways. Just because he got in early. |
| April 29, 2003 19:04:41 (GMT Time) |
| Comments: | I'll make it quick, Sponsored, 5-1-01 went to many meetings, went way out of my family budget on books, tapes, and seminars, spent to much time walking by Ron Puryears river home in Post Falls. 11-1-01 put 10,000 extra miles on my car,wife is upset about my huge tape collection, wife upset on all the time away from my kids and her, my true friends feel alienated. 4-3-02 last major function "spring leader ship", 10-01-03 saw Emerald Randy Sears show the plan in Post Falls I had to laugh and left early. Current status fully recovered from love bombing episodes, opened my own investment firm with my father, wife is happy, kids are happy, and I will "truly" retire early happy. Thanks for the web site it keeps me on my toes. Sincerely, Peter Petticolas. |
| April 28, 2003 22:44:33 (GMT Time) |
| Comments: | I think that Quixtar is ridiculous. My husband and I had some people over to tell us about the company, and they didn't know how long the company had been in business, any stats about the company, or even who the founder was. People ask these questions, and most people do like an actual responce, instead of "Ummm, well, uhhh..." I'm just saying that if you're gonna have your reps out getting people to start doing your business, then you need to make it a requirement that your reps actually read the pamplet that they hand out instead of just "the numbers and the money". They didn't explain how this could benefit me or my husband at all. And to be completely honest, I know that there are other network marketing things out there that are real, and offer thousands more dollars less time than what you do. Perhaps you should look into making your business better. Christy Kodger Hattiesburg, MS |
| April 28, 2003 00:38:44 (GMT Time) |
| Comments: | My view: Q12 heading for Ruby/Emerald(currently 10K PV outside of first Platinum group). Profit: over $3K-4K per month net. I guess I'm a statistical misfit for this site. Advise: 1)Pay out 15 PV checks. 2)Help serious people to be profitable, and you can be also. 3)Accept that some won't do it (just like anything else). 4)Learn this business plan... "Pins", "Founders", and "Depth" change incomes by over $100K when you understand it. 5)Don't expect anyone that is making money to answer the "suggested questions" on this site or show you their 1099, Schedule C, or W-2 from their job (That's weird...Would anyone at your job do this? Would your investment banker?) 6) Find a successful mentor as you should in any industry. 7) Beat the averages. I did... In and out of Quixtar. Good luck...Money can be made if you follow the education system as seriously as your college degree, and work as focused as the CEO that you should be in your own Quixtar business. |
| April 26, 2003 09:33:07 (GMT Time) |
| Comments: | I was just marketed by an 'IBO' claiming that the 'residuals' that I would make from being involved in Quixtar would allow me to make perhaps millions of dollars and be able to afford to make my 'dreams come true'. There was no mention of Amway but it sounded like a pyramid scheme to me... I'm glad that I let him know that I was not interested... I've been hitup by at least three people over the past two years. |
| April 26, 2003 00:26:47 (GMT Time) |
| Comments: | I was approached to join quixtar and invited to a meeting at a friend's house. I went and spent two hours listening a sales man pitch "how to get rich quick". It all sounded easy and I felt good attending the meeting. But then, I wanted to research it further. The up-line gave me a login, password (guest) and a couple of catalogues. At first, just looking at the price of some of the items which I usually buy at COSTCO seem way too expensive. So, I did a search on the web and found tons of information. I then went to COSTCO, Walmart and Albertsons to do a comparison. The Quixtar price on these selected items (cereal, detergent, batteries, diapers, ketchup, mustard, under wear (Hanes), and the like) was at least 40% more than what it is at COSTCO or Walmart. But then, I started to ask myself: how do I retail? How could I tell friends to join to shop from their own store when I know that they can buy things cheaper else where? It finally occured to me that the only way |
| April 25, 2003 21:52:23 (GMT Time) |
| Comments: | well, it's obvious to me that this site has no valid or valuable information, though i appreciate the picture of Ron Puryear's house, i'd been looking for one of them. you seem shocked that the higher levels in our business make money from books and tapes. welcome to the real world. when i saw the plan they told me that i'd make approximately 100,000 dollars annually,outside of Quixtar bonuses, from the system side of the organization at the diamond level. it's called diversification. i would warn anyone who looks at this website, and trusts our host with their future. i personally love Quixtar, i love the people in my LOS, and i love paying for books, tapes, and seminars. Quixtar, it's a good thing. Go Diamond |
| April 25, 2003 18:53:38 (GMT Time) |
| Comments: | This site should be mandatory reading, before signing up. From my experience your right on the money, or loss of it. Keep up the good work. |
| April 25, 2003 13:31:15 (GMT Time) |
| Comments: | Those that can, sell soap. Those that can't, sell hope packaged as motivationals and pep rallies. Those that can't do either buy the motivationals and attend the pep rallies and edify the system just by showing up. I miss my Amway friends. Most of them (those below the Platinums) have no idea how much money the uplines make off the motivationals (BSMs) and the pep rallies (functions). Yes, the friendships were superficial and I don't talk to my old Amway friends too often, but when I do see them it's like putting on an old, comfortable shoe. It's no wonder many IBOs stick around for decades, buying tools, attending functions, and buying their way to a bonus. It's the prices and the 1% of IBOs at 25%+ bonus that ruin it for the rest of us. I feel like a dry drunk. I am tempted to listen to a few tapes I have lying around here. God Help Me! I smell the dragon's breath! |
| April 23, 2003 21:43:04 (GMT Time) |
| Comments: | I was sold the 'dream' last week, skeptical by nature I figured I would give it a few months and see how it would work out. I have shown 2 people the plan without even understanding the maze of mathematics and promices myself. I ve listened to a few tapes. I looked at the products, the first the that struck me was the high prices. My sponser says to show that you like the products you should use them yourself, but i cannot whole heartedly sponser a product where i have to pay higher prices than the store down the block. The next thing was on the tapes and meetings they specifically say "stay away from websites discouraging the business." I found this statement hilarious because they still expect us to go on the internet to maintain tour business. Its like telling me go pickup a newspaper but only go to page 5 but dont read anyother part of it. It was negative advertsing. I looked at a few of my upline's way of living they had products everywhere, tapes leaking out there ears. I could not imagine losing myself respect in exchange for a tape collection. I love your site, it is a true work of art. It made me quit before i made a stupid mistake--thanks |
| April 22, 2003 06:58:38 (GMT Time) |
| Comments: | This is the continuation to the comment below (I didn't realize I wrote more than 500 characters!) I was actually told that it's fine not to get involved, as "we need people to work in car washes and bag our groceries!" I was also told that it's not for all people "because most people can't run their own business, as they can't think for themselves and have to be told when to go to lunch, when to go the bathroom, etc." Wow!!! Talk about looking down on people!!! I guess, in other words, if you don't become an IBO, you're not intelligent and can't think for yourself? I'm sorry, but that's not the way to treat people. I won't get involved any further into this than I am, because I refuse to lie, mislead, and treat people like they're beneath me. I would rather live my life with honesty and integrity and not be "rich enough to buy a million dollar house" than make lots of money and lie and cheat and look down upon others. |
| April 19, 2003 16:20:38 (GMT Time) |
| Comments: | I've been an IBO for three months now, through a family member. I just wish I investigated a little more before signing up, but, hey, a family member wouldn't lie to you, would they? First, when I kept asking "is this Amway?", I was told no, it's not. I must have asked this question 30 times, with the same response that it's not. Then after I received my "introductory packet of Sweet 16", I looked on one of the products, and what did I see? AMWAY!!! I actually confronted my family member about this, and was still told, "No, it's not Amway. It's Quixtar." Well, let's be honest, Quixtar is just Amway reconstructed, now selling through the internet. Maybe it's just me, but honesty goes a long way. I think it's wrong that IBO's are instructed to say it's "not Amway, it's Quixtar" when in reality it is Amway products. If they're lying about that, what else are they lying about? Another thing I don't like is that you're looked down upon if you decide Quixtar is not for you. I was actually told that it's fine not to get involved, as "we need people to work in car washes and bag our groceries!" I was also told that it's not for all people "because most people can't run their own business, as they can't think for themselves and have to be told when to go to lunch, when to go the bathroom, etc." Wow!!! Talk about looking down on people!!! I guess, in other words, if you don't become an IBO, you're not intelligent and can't think for yourself? I'm sorry, but that's not the way to treat people. I won't get involved any further into this than I am, because I refuse to lie, mislead, and treat people like they're beneath me. I would rather live my life with honesty and integrity and not be "rich enough to buy a million dollar house" than make lots of money and lie and cheat and look down upon others. |
| April 19, 2003 16:18:01 (GMT Time) |
| Comments: | Page 2 continued...... Not EVERYONE who registers as an IBO is going to put forth the effort to grow....it is that way in every business. I say, 'if you are happy where you are, great...I appreciate you and proud to have U as a part of our team. So I am LOUD and PROUD and love offering 'hope' and 'soap'....have U used any today? I hope U are smart enough to purchase it at Your cost and will be paid back next month for doing so. If U aren't doing enough to get a bonus your still getting a GREAT deal and a GREAT PRODUCT! Does the business work? You bet...I just started another new IBO business tonight and plan on another prior to the week end. AMERICAN ends in 'I Can' and that is the truth for Quixtar profitability -possibility and growth and have fun doing so too!!! Don't let someone else's negative take your hope and dreams away from you and your family. You know, to some people an extra 100.00 a month makes a BIG differance in today's world as does an extra 100.00 a week! H |
| April 17, 2003 04:47:34 (GMT Time) |
| Comments: | Positive feed back totally! Receive my bonus's - growth each month since launch! Take work? Sure! I work very hard at my medical profession too--no raise in a number of years. I work hard and have lots of fun- and growth with my bonus income most every month!I make more money because others I introduce to the concept are making more money too!! Are the products good? They are GREAT! Is there integrity behind the QUIXTAR NAME? MOST DEFINATELY! ARE you required to purchase extra tools, tapes, attend high costly rallies? Not in MY Quixtar business line. Have family members who are <> pin levels and they are 'real people' who talk about LIFE and how an average person like each of us are....to work persistantlly and consistantly and the probablity of growth to what ever goal or level we have a passion for .... we CAN achieve it! This is pure free enterprise and in the media news of poor economy we just broke another record day... 10.5 MILLION dollars on 3/31/03! Not EVERYONE who registers as an IBO is going to put forth the effort to grow....it is that way in every business. I say, 'if you are happy where you are, great...I appreciate you and proud to have U as a part of our team. So I am LOUD and PROUD and love offering 'hope' and 'soap'....have U used any today? I hope U are smart enough to purchase it at Your cost and will be paid back next month for doing so. If U aren't doing enough to get a bonus your still getting a GREAT deal and a GREAT PRODUCT! Does the business work? You bet...I just started another new IBO business tonight and plan on another prior to the week end. AMERICAN ends in 'I Can' and that is the truth for Quixtar profitability -possibility and growth and have fun doing so too!!! Don't let someone else's negative take your hope and dreams away from you and your family. You know, to some people an extra 100.00 a month makes a BIG differance in today's world as does an extra 100.00 a week! H |
| April 17, 2003 04:42:25 (GMT Time) |
| Comments: | The prize was not worth the price. Make of that what you will. IBOs would be better served retailing soap rather than tools and function tickets for the upslimes. Show me a Diamond IBO that promotes a system of BSMs and functions to their downline IBOs and I'll show you a pyramid of downline IBOs spending far more on their motivationals (and getting zero compensation for all those hours spent building the upslimes tool business and function business) than they get back in bonus from the corp. I will not include any retail profits because most people know the vast majority of PV is bought and consumed by the IBOs on the system. Things go bad when the fox is left to watch to chickencoop. Trust...but verify. |
| April 16, 2003 21:14:15 (GMT Time) |
| Comments: | I went to one of their 'business plans' and watched impatiently as the speaker built the dream--his version of a dream lifestyle--and then plugged Quixtar, powerered by the System motivationals, as THE answer. When he finished with his income example, I raised my hand and stood up. I said, "You keep telling us we need to invest in the tools to build it big, so how much would I spend on an average month on tools and functions?" He hesitated, then answered," System overhead averages $200 per business, more or less. Anything else?" I said, "Yes, if we deduct $200 from the gross incomes you just showed in your example only 1 in 79 IBOs in that business plan would show a profit." You could have heard a pin drop in that meeting room. Oh, what a day! |
| April 14, 2003 22:33:42 (GMT Time) |
| Comments: | LOL,LOL. I got into this through a friend that I thought had a mind of his own. Went to all the meetings,all was hunkie dory till I went to a Rally where thad had all the people that made diamond " " Then the big show man came on stage and told us his success "OH" what a painted picture, then he hit a nerve with me telling how he went to Africa and shot all those wild animals and had videos of his home with them in and that it was all possible with AmQuix.& that he has a 90 thousand dollar Mercedes setting out side,brag,brag,brag..Then he says so don't be like a guy I knew who drove a Civic and was Civic minded person you will never get anywhere... WELL THAT DID IT FOR ME!!! I have not persued it any further. People need to read the statiscs.. |
| April 14, 2003 19:50:04 (GMT Time) |
| Comments: | I just began and have not made any money yet but it is worth the association of winners if i got nothing else from it. think positive!! |
| April 14, 2003 04:57:05 (GMT Time) |
| Comments: | I and my husband were IBOs for 9 months & saw through the trap early enough to avoid much damage. Among reasons that ticked us off were, the upline were shamelessly lying just to paint a rosy picture of the business, negative but constructive ideas were suppressed, 'big ha-ho to sell some common but over-priced products", heavy expenses on training, fake friendships of upline & other members (no contact anymore!)My advice is to stay away from this unprofitable scam. Sincerely, Su |
| April 10, 2003 18:17:01 (GMT Time) |
| Comments: | I was an IBO for almost 10 years. While I was a successful person in my job I could never seem to succeed in Amway/Quixtar. This year I read a book by Brian Tracy called "Focus" Init he said "If you are doing something no matter how pleasant that is not moving you toward your goals stop. So I did. I read with interest Bo Short's letter to you. I had the opportunity to drive Bo and Sandy to and from a seminar and had some time to speak with them. They like many people I met in the Businesss are awesome. There are thousands of great people in Quixtar and I am a better person for my experiemces. In fact I still attend some sessions as the positive reinforcement helps in my primary business for a very reasonable cost. I could not see many new people suceeding and I wasn't geting results but I will always value the friends and mentors I met. Contrary to some of the things I have read those people have not cast me aside but remain great friends. Any business is tough to start. This one is too. |
| April 9, 2003 21:51:15 (GMT Time) |
| Comments: | Scott, I have been following your website for a number of years since I managed to escape from the clutches of Amway. Your site and other similar ones made me realise the mistake I had made getting involved. Recently I was contacted by the only person I managed to recruit into Amway (how ironic) He has become involved with the "Maleluca Company" and suggested that I might be interested (he obviously doesn't understand my reasons for leaving Amway). He didn't give me any more information ( and I didn't ask for any at this stage as I have exams soon and I don't want to get distracted). Once my exams are over I'd like to find out more about Maleluca - not to get involved - but to have some fun rebutting the claims that are made and try to take a proper business analysis approach similar to the way you have done with Amway on your site. I haven't found much information from a Google search. |
| April 9, 2003 00:13:04 (GMT Time) |
| Comments: | My husband has been snagged into the Quixtar bus. via WWDB. He is a very successful engineer, by profession. He has been in this for 3 years now. Being in this costs him about $2,500. every year. He has to go to the functions and meetings and buy all the products he can sneak into the house. He has been able to sell NOBODY on this and has sold 2 boxes of soap to other people. How in the world do you get people unbrainwashed? He won't think through anything about this and allows them to tell him how to think about everything. This is hurting our relationship and family life. |
| April 5, 2003 04:20:21 (GMT Time) |
| Comments: | got started in business and it's been great so far. i am achieving a new level every month and the money gets better and better. i prefer to do this than work for anyone. going emerald this year. diamond by next year. |
| April 4, 2003 07:53:54 (GMT Time) |
| Comments: | I was with WWDB for several years. What they(the so called leadership)say and what they do are two different things. All said and done, they were very dishonest and not so godly. Unless your religion says, go forth and lie, cheat, and steal from your neighbor. |
| April 3, 2003 14:24:48 (GMT Time) |
| Comments: | I surfed to this website. I have been an IBO for one year now in WWDB. I will give you an honest, balanced approach to this business. First, I have found the leadership to be Godly, loving, great parents, healthy marriage partners, lots of love. About "fleecing the people", I don't know about that. My experience comes from my organization and not others, but I must say when you have a business model that has been around since the fifties with hundreds of thousands operating their own businesses, there will be some good and bad. It can't be regulated! Their will be blessings and horror stories. My advice, find out about your upline mentors. What is their family life like, spiritual life, integrity etc... As for the opportunity itself, it is plain and simply what you make of it! There is no hoax or scam involved. It's simple, look at the big pins in the business and find out about what their schedules were like. They were consistent, showing plans every week, treat |
| April 3, 2003 00:23:56 (GMT Time) |
| Comments: | I was turned off by an Amway party in 1978. I remember the guy standing there telling me I could do the business 2-4 hours a week. I knew then he was full of it. Recently, a young guy at work tried to sell me on Quixtar. Not knowing much of what happened to Amway after the early 80's, I told him it sounded like Amway. He said it was the "new Amway". I knew it was fishy when I asked him how much I would make on the products, and he kept giving me this garbage about points. He could not even tell me how much I would make. What upset me the most about this was how brainwashed he appeared. After an hour of discussion, he finally agreed that he was doing a business he didn't understand. The very next week he started spewing the sales pitch about being financially independent again, forgetting he wasn't making any money, just earning points, which may, someday convert to money. I see this same weird mentality in some of the people writing to this venue. Of course, they're too brainwashed to know. |
| March 30, 2003 02:52:49 (GMT Time) |
| Comments: | I can't believe it! I asked for my money back on all the stinkin tapes I have purchased in the last year since I been in, and they wrote me a check for the whole amount. I managed to buy $700 worth in one year. I guess I am resonsible for some idiot in my downline who is almost silver. They told me I could have my money back if I kept my mouth shut. Thank goodness I got my money back, goodbye scamway. |
| March 29, 2003 07:13:20 (GMT Time) |
| Comments: | Your experience page is interesting. I've never let other people's success, or lack thereof, affect my success in life. After graduating from college & becoming an accountant, I was naturally a bit skeptical & analytical. I was invited to see the Quixtar business opportunity, and it made sense to me. I've made some income from my business but not as much as I would like at this point. My Quixtar income has been in direct proportion to my willingness to educate myself & do the work involved. |
| March 22, 2003 20:54:19 (GMT Time) |
| Comments: | Okay let me just say I LOVE YOUR SITE......I am an ACTIVE IBO......I have been for a long while....I do make money....I like Quixtar as a whole...but the SYSTEM, TOOLS, UPLINE, BLAH BLAH B/S...I dont want any part of it, I dont care to be walking around "repeating responses" fed me by my "upline" whom Im supposed to "love" and Edify ....they have done nothing to earn my respect and what they did do that was worth respecting was seriously clouded by what they didnt do or did wrong...I dont neccessarily blame them...they are robots following suit and are taught not to ask questions or do any research...well I dont buy into that....Check out my site for more info http://www.quixtaropinionblog.blogspot.com |
| March 13, 2003 05:42:40 (GMT Time) |
| Comments: | Im not sure where you get off quoting the numbers you do without looking at all sides. Sure the average IBO has .28 clients/members and sure they only make a little over $500 a year but that is because the average person doesnt do anything except buy a kit, some tapes and books. They dont listen to them or read them and if they do, they dont follow what is said on those materials. Then they blame their upline for their own inactivity. I am an IBO, who has not made much, but because of my own lack of action. I am at least man enough to admit that. As for it being a cult, my parent's are platinums whose marriage has never been better, mostly because of the leadership they have listened to. If this were a cult, WWDB and Quixtar would be encouraging their growth be focused solely on the corporation and not each other. IBO - WWDB |
| March 12, 2003 22:58:44 (GMT Time) |
| Comments: | Thank you for your website and the information. Did you know that I was about to become an IBO. Well, thank you for opening my eyes and telling the whole truth, unlike the person who tried to get me into the business. Thank you for helping me make a wise business choice |
| March 11, 2003 14:29:29 (GMT Time) |
| Comments: | The comments made before this come from someone who either is'nt in the business or is very new. I was in WWDB for 5 years. Went 1000pv the first month. Hit 6,000 pv, with 50 down line, as much 25 in the front line at anytime. I had a strong retail business, unusual for WWDB. My upline was a ruby. During the five years I rarely made any money after expense. I never had a year in which I did. Talking with the ruby, he confided in me that he made very little off the products. He had been in the business for 19 years. The last I talked with him, I asked how can you show a 2 to 5 year plan to diamond and you have been in it 19 years? |
| March 10, 2003 14:59:43 (GMT Time) |
| Comments: | Personaly we have found a great site. We are involved with business people, people who study lay and medicine. We all have talked about how we have checked it out. We are informed. Their is a slant in everthing I have read. I have found good good books on leadership that everyone could use everday. We are exited about the Q business and we know that we are willing to invest our time to become a success. We love the products and it does save us time and $$!!! |
| March 8, 2003 22:08:50 (GMT Time) |
| Comments: | Ive been involved with Quixtar for 7 mos now.INCREDIBLE!In my short time with this team,I have seen tremendous growth,sell-out seminars,standing-room-only meetings,retired individuals,and,of course,money. Does it work? Ive seen several individuals go platinum,sapphire,emerald,and a diamond in my short time involved.It works! It all depends on the team you are involved with. Im proud to be a part of this team and the values and principles they represent.Im gonna be free in 2003! |
| March 7, 2003 16:14:22 (GMT Time) |
| Comments: | I was part of INA back in the late 80's early 90's. Directs (today's Platinums) got $1 in rebate for each tape sold downline. There were minimum volumes needed to qualify for the rebates. The Tape rebate schedule went up to 33% (all this from memory). Our upline Ruby made over $1.50 per tape sold downline. Emeralds and Diamonds got bigger tape rebates plus percentage of each function ticket sold downline. Emeralds received royalties on their teaching and story tapes, which explains why each Emerald and Diamond in INA pushes their own tapes. The big kick up in system income came when an Emerald/Diamond put on their own Leadership. The big kahuna upline Diamond/EDC was the featured guest speaker and you can guess why--BIG Speaker's fee for the weekend. Distributors were encouraged to buy extra tickets to the major functions, because, after all, you can't sell what you don't have, can you? Not one MF we attended was ever a sell-out. Always empty seats and suckers out front tryi |
| March 6, 2003 23:05:00 (GMT Time) |
| Comments: | My experience has been very positive. |
| March 5, 2003 04:43:49 (GMT Time) |
| Comments: | I appreciate your site because it has really opened my eyes. Not in the way of negatitive things about the business because I have had great experiences. My parents have been in the business for eight years. If people think that this business does nothing for you you are wrong. The amount that my parents grew and learned was incredible. The amount of money they are making is amazing, and guess what it's all to their business. See that is where some of you haven't clued in yet. This system that I have read a few of you complaining about is your buisness system. These are your tools and they have done incredible things for my family and especially my parents business. The amount of confidence they avhe in themselves and the amount of positive atmosphere in our house is incredible. My father was downsized out of his job that he was the general manager for and because my parents are in this business he did not sit on his butt after that and say oh, boo hoo I don't have a job. He |
| Febuary 28, 2003 19:54:19 (GMT Time) |
| Comments: | I have had a great experience, if you have a dream you will not do comparison shopping, I am having a lot of fun, my first year is coming to great end. Go Diamond!! |
| Febuary 25, 2003 13:15:11 (GMT Time) |
| Comments: | Scott, I too was a faithful Amway distributor in the Storm/Moronee line. After our upline direct quit no one told us why it was like a big secret, well I eventually got to the truth, his wife had enough of spending money with no real returns and they just had a new baby so something had to give. My Amway experience was not all that bad I did learn some valuable lessons about life from all the books that I was coached to read. However I do feel that my education (if you can call it that) was somewhat pricy for we spent on average of 4 to 9,000 dollars a year on average for tools and functions the products were extra. I almost lost my job from lack of sleep and cold contacting at work. We did not make any money I do however have 4 to 5 boxes of tapes from the S.O.T (standard order tapes) program. If any one want them feel free to contact me at hervem71@juno.com. We had great expectations for this business, I am somewhat disapointed in myself not for not succeeding but that it took me that long to figure out that our investment was not going produce any returns. I even bought a $350 dollar pen that I never used how stupid was that? Well I always like to look on the briteside of things, so at least we did get to see most of the country because all the big functions were in cities that we had never been to before e.g (Tenesse,Charlote,Ohio,Baltimore,Pistburg...)and some of the long drives thinking back was fun (not the lack of sleep part). In all honesty Amway is not for everybody it is a business, Weird business but still a business and business are there for one thing to make money (by any means necessary). If you are in Amway and you are not making money be sure some body is. It may not be you, but the trick is to get to be the one who is making the money not spendign it. I was not able to figure it out, I lost my investment of $18,000 +/- $2k. investment in 3 years Which is not all that bad if you look at most standard business as a comparison. If you quit like I did its okay it was not your cup of tea move on. If you are in it keep a sharp eye alway do a return vs investment analysis if you are loosing more money than you have made then it may be time for you to quit, and try something else, well enough from me, wishing everyone out there who is seeking fortune luck and keep trying open your minds Amway is not the end just the begining. Yours Truly, HP |
| Febuary 24, 2003 21:02:07 (GMT Time) |
| Comments: | Oh my God we finally might make some money by being in Quixtar. Our upline platinum is a local CEO and got my wife a job. I guess it is who you know. I can't wait till she starts the position, so we can quit the business. In some sick and twisted way, I hope they fire her so we can sue their pants off. Excellent site, keep up the good work. I have contacted everyone from my highschool class and let them in on the scam. www.classmates.com |
| Febuary 21, 2003 06:52:40 (GMT Time) |
| Comments: | Your site is real, factual, and insightful. I was an IBO within TIF and found Bo Short's comments to be respectful. AmQuix is a ridiculous way to go-nevertheless there IS some great information to be learned-lessons for life- yet they are paid at a premium. We were under Ron Rummel-so so sad that he crumbled in the shadow of pride and greed. |
| Febuary 20, 2003 22:45:01 (GMT Time) |
| Comments: | I began my own company almost five years ago, and my experience has been nothing short of terrific. I receive a cheque from Quixtar each month, albeit I have yet to break the million mark because I choose not to be actively building at this time. Educate yourself and form your own opinions; do not be swayed by other's. Before forming my own company, I did the research (I am also a journalist, so investigating "both sides" is second nature. My upline platinums are wonderful people, honest and caring both within the Quixtar context and personal. It truly is a simple concept, and for me it works. |
| Febuary 14, 2003 23:23:22 (GMT Time) |
| Comments: | Was with WWDB for 5 years. Biggest bunch of crooks I've ever been involved with. Stay away from these folks they will steal you blind. |
| Febuary 14, 2003 13:52:07 (GMT Time) |
| Comments: | I may be new to this, but I have nothing but good things to say about WWDB. You can say what you will, and I can see many flaws in the Britt org, but for the most part, the Puryear group is a class act. |
| Febuary 9, 2003 20:39:22 (GMT Time) |
| Comments: | We own three business. We have been involved with Q for 6 months. What you put in to it is what you get out of it. We are educated and professional people. We have found a group of professionals from all walks of life. Q IBO's have a code of ethics. We are growing personally from this experiance.We control our money and our time. We are very pleased with the products, delivery to our front door and its unconditional guarantee. Not all business succeed. It takes an investiment. This is a small Investiment with alot of opportunity! |
| Febuary 9, 2003 15:08:28 (GMT Time) |
| Comments: | I was in for 12 years built it hard sponsored 28 people, went direct with 1 real strong leg. I have left the biz for 3 years now. I am better off financially (still recuperating from over 60k spent). I wanted to say that other distributors i know who have left are better off financially. I am about to purchase a "real" business soon( a franchise) and am excited about life. Keep up the good work Mr. Larsen You are doing a gr8 service. And to you Quxbots I have been there done it.. get out |
| Febuary 7, 2003 07:39:25 (GMT Time) |
| Comments: | . Spending every waking moment with my addorable 4 month old daughter. Picked up my guitar again. Saving more money than ever. I have the best friends in the woellpadding=2 cellspacing=0> |
| Comments: | . Spending every waking moment with my addorable 4 month old daughter. Picked up my guitar again. Saving more money than ever. I have the best friends in the world. People should start getting in to expose this business. Go to the meetings, and ask all the questions asked on this sight. See what the diamonds say then. Unless you swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, and noting but around the truth, so help your upline. Feel free. But untill you find 200 other immoral people to do the same. You have wasted a lifetime. Imagine 200 people running around the mall and asking for your phone number. I like 200 people running around telling people to avoid the line, "ever look at other ways to lose money." oops I mean "make money." Jason Brown former Yager employee at -2.00 an hour. Thanks Scott. You da man |
| Febuary 5, 2003 17:46:35 (GMT Time) |
| Comments: | Everybody's excuse is their reason. That's what they keep telling me. I still havn't seen any money or found any time. 2 full time jobs for 2 to 5 years. Find 15 clients and 200 Ibo's all doing 25pv just to make an extra 1000 dollars a month before bsms. I'll tell you people what. 77 different ways to make money. "Is it amway?" "Na were just spending our free time in the mall, living rooms, and hotels." Business suits in living rooms, send the baby to moms, she'll thank you for it later. I guess she doesn't need me now. Who is really helping who here. If my upline is busy building their business, who is supposed to be helping me. I asked my upline diamond for some one on one help, guess what he said. You can talk to your upline platinum and he'll give you my ibocs #. All the time in the world but no time for me. I guess I'm just another downline. My upline platinum is innactive. I guess he found out the truth too. Great site. Plans to start a traveling BBQ busin |
| Febuary 5, 2003 17:44:26 (GMT Time) |
| Comments: | Just wanted to comment that this is an excellent site that is much needed. My husband has finally stopped doing Amway after close to 10 years of not making a profit. He ran up over $4000 of credit card debt that i did not know about. Over the years I thought about divorce many times. He finally quit, it was a gradual process. For those of you trying to get someone to get out of the business, think about what financial alternatives might appeal to your spouse/relative or friend. For my husband it was real estate. We now live and own a 2 family house. While the income from the rental unit is not enough to retire on, it is REAL and not based on a MLM scheme. We can count on the cash every month, and now my husband has free time to do the things he's always wanted to do. Amway makes you think that money is limiting factor in your dreams, but when you do Amway you are really giving up your free time. Now that my husband has free time he can work on his dreams. A good book to read |
| Febuary 3, 2003 19:39:41 (GMT Time) |
| Comments: | Only last week did I pay the $45 to become an IBO and already I am disgusted at the lying that took place at the meeting that me and my husband went to. We were told that we would save from 10% - 40% on most of the household items that we could buy from the Quixtar site. I am a very good comparison shopper and I could not find 1 thing I needed that I would actually save money on, and then on top of that have to pay shipping charges too. I will not tell my friends to get involved with something like this, on the basis of a lie. And there is one thing in your page that I do not agree with because of personal experience. Followers of Jesus do receive financial reward for their efforts. You can not outgive God! Bless others and you will be blessed, not always financially, but yes many times with getting back more than what was given. Believe on Jesus and your treasure is in Heaven! |
| Febuary 2, 2003 21:39:23 (GMT Time) |
| Comments: | I am so glad I ran into your website which shows the actual reality of this buh to go to a few meetings. I met a man 'into' the business. He gave me books to read but, with time limits. My sponsors ended up standing me up the night of my first home meeting. Turns out I was to impure to join because I was a single lady who drank, smoked, and had a sex life. Oh my! I never felt so much like a sinner, even when attending church! The guy I met couldn't make personal, sexual decisions without consulting his 'mentor' first. Yes, the boy had issues. Quixtar was his crutch, church and life. It's a cult.**Glenda S./Los Angeles |
| Febuary 1, 2003 01:15:18 (GMT Time) |
| Comments: | Hello We had somebody in our downline today tell us they had found this website on Yahoo. He told my husband that he didn't want to any longer be part of Quixtar or Quickstar. Once I read it, it had me thinking too. I once even had the notion that they people were paid to say they were successful. With anything these days you really have to know what you are getting yourself into. I just wish you had something more to back the charts and other comments up. Is there any way you could get more evidence to prove what you say is true? We just got back this weekend from a seminar in Ohio. It cost us $200 for the tickets. If there was a 100,000 people there. That's $20,000,000! That's just an estimate. I was thinking to myself, "Did this auditorium cost that much to rent?" They had a band come on a few times. But no refreshments or beverages. They were selling lots of tools though. I don't know just email me and tell me what you think about trying to back up com |
| January 29, 2003 20:58:09 (GMT Time) |
| Comments: | Quixtar is the greatest thing I have ever been involved in. Met the greatest people, and made more money te>
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