Last update 07/31/2003

Hello. I'm building quixtar and I know Howie Danzik. He was never married before meeting theresa. I don't know where you get your information from, but most of it is incorrect and or twisted to sound negative. Thanks.

Hello again. You are right about me not knowing about Amway, but I really don't care about it either. I'm really not that smart about anything, but I have made a profit from this business over the past 2 years of being involved. It's not much, but you have to start somewhere. I did however find out about Howie Danzik. I spoke to Greg Gilmore about it and he said that Howie and Susan weren't good before the business began. She just came along for the ride. So it didn't ruin their marriage. No business idea saves marriages, it's the people you associate with that save your marriage if it needs saving and I think that is what they talk about. Basically they're just saying that the people who represent World Wide Group are quality people with the right mind set for success. But anyway thank you for your words and it's always nice to hear people perspectives on the business. So if you don't mind I will email you again when I go Diamond. I hope you'll remember me. My name is Derek.

Divorces, yes, I know of another. MY PARENTS. I hate amway with a passion. Thanks for your site. Trying to figure alot of stuff out. Have a great heads up with the internet as to a few things.

Scott,

Ha that is what I thought about the hotels. Well I am glad I am right...I told my upline about it and he assured me they did not make money on the hotels...how funny...Yes I do have all that info for you and it is my pleasure to give it to you ....Also I have some emails that i got from my platinum upline that he sent me when i asked him about the tools...If you would like that let me know...

Too weird. We were part of the WWDB sponsorship. Our upline didn't like their upline so they quit. They are waiting to renew in 6 months with the other upline. They did not even let us know and when we sent a request for products to their upline they have not responded at all.

Talk about bad sponsorship!

Scott,

Thanks for the reply. I have yet to learn "how" to be successful in this business except to "show the plan" as often as possible and to "buy the things I normally buy" at any of the open meetings and IBO meetings that follow. I pay $8.25 per tape and so far all of them have been from the names in the business discussing their life stories and asking if "you're fired up!" My leanings are beginning to be towards being a member and giving up the IBO part.

Scott,

I am part of the Helsley Pittsburgh Team and for now I'll leave out my upline's name as I really think he is a good guy. We are part of the Covington/Miller(?) team. In fact, Rocky Covington was in Pittsburgh several weeks ago speaking at the Radisson in Monroeville.

I learned about the Member/Client Rule while surfing the BWW and/or Quixtar sites, I can't remember which. I asked my upline about it and he said that the company realizes that the first month or two a new IBO may not have any member/clients just yet (sounds reasonable) but that his wife could go on the internet and either show me how to indicate that I have met the rule or she could do it for me from her computer and that no one really ever checks or questions it anyway. I would have thought that after the open meetings when the IBO's meet that this would be a pretty important topic for the "successful" IBO's to be explaining in detail to the new IBO's.

When I informed my upline about my concerns, he forwarded to me the response from Quixtar to his wife's request for "positive" information to counter all the negative stuff out there. Included in the company's response was a link to IBOfacts.com. Pretty interesting when you read the company line and then the rebuttal and the audio links from Rich(?)DeVos and others.

Thanks for your help once again, I'll keep you posted.

Hi Scott,

I thought you'd appreciate an update on our diamond. His wife *** has passed away from pancreatic cancer. I only knew **** from meeting her at several functions, but she did seem like a nice person; it's a shame that she never got out of the business, but a lot of them are in so deep that they either never will get out or they're so brainwashed that they actually believe it.

I will say that I have heard from some who are still in the business and some who aren't that even when the doctors told our diamond that his wife was terminal and only had a few weeks left, he still went to lead a major function! Those who are still in the biz said things like "Isn't he such a winner!?" I also know that he attended the home of my former upline Emeralds for July 4th and judging from his behavior, you'd never of known that he had just lost his wife. Within 2 weeks, he had all her clothes and stuff packed up and has already talked to his children about remarrying! I know that everyone grieves in their own way and I shouldn't even be saying any of this, but this just isn't normal behavior. I shall continue to pray for all of those who are still in "the business."

I feel that to name him would be in poor taste. Not to mention, you don't need any more legal trouble.

I have read your site extensively. Good job. Your points are relevant and on-line.

I have been a distributor / IBO for almost 10 years. I believe I got my money's worth (out of the system), if only because I needed to learn the people skills so badly. While I know now there are many ways of achieving what I have in the past 10 years, I didn't then know about options, so I am thankful for the opportunity to learn.

I saw Bo speak in person, and it was at that time one of the more motivational times of my life. His oft-repeated tome "this business can make your dreams come true" spoke to me, as did his very apparent sincerity and integrity. When I heard he resigned, I wondered why, but I did not follow through. Thanks for posting his information.

I believe in the same principles as Bo, especially concerning fairness in pricing per both products and support system. I have always found in frustrating to be excited about making a large sale, (which I am good at in the "real" world), only to get shot out of the saddle with the realization that "wholesale" is not necessarily wholesale. I am in the manufacturing / wholesale business and know whereof I speak.

I would like to contact Mr. Short and discuss a business association with him. If you would be so kind, could you either provide me with his phone number / e-mail, or provide HIM with mine? It would be much appreciated.

Keep up the good work. Even for those folks who choose to continue building a Quixtar business, if their eyes are wide open, the chance of a bitter taste in the mouth (like mine) would be far less.

Greetings Scott

I read for over an hour just now your Quixtar f.y.i. info

WOW I'm flabbergasted & thankful to you. I've been HEAVILY recruited and have been to two ibo recruiting meetings

Why are they hot for me? Well, the last nights meeting really showed me why. They mentioned the average person has 200 direct people influence {personally I think that is high for the Average Joe or Janet Lunch bucket}

Well I'm being honest & accurate. My true circle or influence is:
1,000 at church
500 at work
50-75 relatives
200 contacts from 10 years in politics

My DAD sorry to say is the one who keeps encouraging me SON " look how many people you know!!!!" ya ya ya

Scott, I've prayed over this more than once. Yea it would be nice to be financially FREE & pay my sons $18000 a year tuition in full, but at the expense of People at church, work that I love & care for. . .. . . .

nah. . .. . . . .I thank you, I was just very curious, what motivated you to get so involved at informing us?

ps I got truly convicted in my heart to do a GOOGLE search on Quixtar & the people involved I promised my wife that I would check it out from stem to stern & you have enlightened me beyond belief

please write back or call

in Christ alone, w/ gratitude
Ron

Scott-

I am a former distributor, (thankfully, we quit before Quixtar was "launched"), and have been checking your site, off and on, for the last few years. I was reading through the lines of sponsorship, and couldn't find the Yeager,/WIlson/Haugen, of which I was a part of, any where in the listings. What's up with that?

Just as a side note, which I'm sure you have heard countless times before, my experience was a total joke. My upline direct, who was directly below Haugen, was a former Mormon church bishop. His wife worked, (maybe she still does), for the Haugen's, and he ended up cheating on her while he was out "showing the plan." He was out 5-6 nights a week, but he wasn't building his business.

I have been to Haugen's home probably a dozen times, and had the "blessing" to fly in their jet to Sacramento, while Randy built a leg out there, which went no where. They seemed to have a lot of money, but I'm sure that 75%, at least, came from the "system." That was the biggest issue for me when I quit...I had hundreds of tapes of completely useless brainwashing

I hope that you found some of this interesting. Like I said, I'm sure you have heard this hundreds of times. I really enjoy your site, and I hope that you will form a list to email when you learn of when the NBC-Dateline production will air regarding Quixtar. I'm hoping that Dateline is going to focus on the Morrison/Haugen lawsuit... that would make great TV.

Best Regards,

TT

Hi Scott,

I am a former direct under Casey Combden Add Tony & Leanne Mercieca under Rob Mcfaul as separated.

I was not aware of Jack Proctor. When my marriage broke up, partially because of the business I was ostracized largely because it is a "family business". How hypocritical they all are

Regards

Hey Scott,

hope you send your info to dateline.

I was in for 12 years and averaged 20 - 30 hours a week, 2000 miles on the car a week. I reached direct with 3 legs.

Amway does know about how much they make off tools. They (rich and jay ) have tried to stop it , but Dexter and Bill said no way or they would move there group and start their own. Basically that is why Quixtar was started and they threaten that they would start an online mlm. Another condition was the name change to get rid of the past.

Paul Miller has gone on record stating 75% of his money comes from the System. Somewhere I read about a fellow who wanted to get in the biz and after doing an exhaustive research found out that a person has .00001% percent chance or near that to achieve a millionaire status in Quixtar. In the world system you have a 1% chance.

A great example of tools and meeting money is this fact... when a diamond has his own function in a coliseum the city hosting usually gives it free to them. Where the city makes money is from parking, food, and hotel sales.. so take 20,000 people X $100 a ticket = 2 million dollars.. add up the math I know from insiders Larry Winters gets 400,000 in his pocket at his smaller functions. 2 million dollars split among diamonds and emeralds.

I got $1 dollar per tape from all the tapes. Larry has 10000 standing order tapes each week plus extra tapes ordered.

Tools: tools they say it's a educational system... yet it produces less than a 1% success rate.

I thought you should know that the IRS informed me that I could no longer write off all those expenses in Quixtar after 3 years. It then considers what you're doing a "Hobby". Bummer huh I lost over 60k in 12 years...Come on Scott I should have treated it like a business like my upline told me.. Hey what idiot (me) would stay in a biz that lost money for 12 years.. I learned.

To all. If you are not making a profit after 3 years Quit and get another business. I did after 12 years and now own two companies. One is a nationwide franchise. Most money I have ever made in my life. So Bill Britt when you get on stage and say" I do not know of anyone that is better off financially or spiritually" now you do

Scott,

I want to thank you for your honest (and balanced) attempt to reveal some of the hidden sides of the AmQuix opportunity. It VERY SAD to see such an opportunity corrupted and spoiled by the "love of money." I'm not talking about the dealings outside of the business but what goes on in the business. While many preach "Christian ethics," there is way too much shady advice and practices.

I was in the business for two years then I finally threw in the towel. This was not because the plan didn't work but I had other priorities - family and a career that God called me to. I hated to quit but nevertheless had in order to preserve those priorites. As they say if you're not committed, you will not be a success. Also, I hated the advise to shun family and friends who do not become IBOs. I understand the negativity that may exist BUT there was something that existed to have those friends and there's the undying love of family. SO, why destroy those "gifts" in order to have "success." There is also the support that one may even get in their "pursuit of a dream."

The economic issues focused on your site are VALID! Big distribution stores have to pay land costs, electric, water, garbage, and shipping costs - not to mention salaries and employee benefits. Why then, with the "unique" distribution qualities of AmQuix, can't the prices be competitive?? I don't have a statistic BUT people are price-sensitive. Even businesses shop for the lowest cost per item to turn into a retail profit. It would seem logical, then, that AmQuix would consider to be business-smart.

This is the 21st century. The economic paradigms that once existed are either non-existent or are facing reformation. Such a reform may cost many high-level pins some PV/BV but it would pay off in visibility and make a run for the consumer's money. Just think of it... if AmQuix lowered the prices to be competitive with Walmart (for example), many people would rejoin the ranks of IBOs just to save the money on having to take the time and travel expense of going to Walmart (and stand in those somewhat ungodly lines). To have the same durables and "lasting consumables" delivered to you (or your DD) would be WORTH it.

There is, of course, all those "high-pins" that wouldn't be willing to make their businesses larger and more profitable by taking cuts in PV/BV. Hmmm... perhaps many should join the thousands of those taking an MBA course online - especially with all that "free" time at home. But, then again, those courses may be rewritten and added the "tools club." Perhaps Amway might consider partnering with an on-line university to give PV/BV to those seeking to be a better businessperson.

Anyway.., thanks for taking the time to read this. It's frustrating to see this opportunity grow old and antiquated BUT it's even more frustrating to see the corruption continue.

Scott I was on your website for about an hour. I have a couple of things to say. I think this business is common sense to me. Why not get paid for the stuff your buying?? Another thing I have no clue how it is in other people's business but we don't sell anything. Everyone talks about this business being a pryamid. If it was one I wouldn't gotten involed. Every day life is a pryamid if you want to go that far. Think about it what I just said. You have to eat right?? So when you go to a grocery store or a resturant you pay for your food. So your making the grocery stores or resturants rich and not yourself. But if you owned a resturant or a grocery store I would hope you wouldn't eat or buy from someone else. That is the whole concept of this business. Buy from yourself and get paid for it.

Dear Scott-

I feel like I am living through a made for TV Drama. My best friend, has been sucked into the Quixtar madness.

Scott, I am VERY concerned about my best friend. She met this guy about 8 months ago and quickly said he was the one. They got engaged about 2 months ago and have been working at 'the business' together non stop. She had never explained to me what the business was exactly, I just assumed it was his regular day job. When I started asking questions, the story started to unravel. Her fiancée is 'supposedly' one of the top earners and she is REQUIRED to attend all of these crazy seminars and 'introduce him' so he can speak to his 'team'.

UGH!!! I am so dismayed that my best friend who is educated and would seem above this crazy scam, but she is getting sucked in over her head. She has bumped the wedding from next June to this November (They say "we just want to be married") and cancelled the reception "To save money".

Scott- I think this whole business and this guy she is marrying is just sketchy. I am the maid of honor in the wedding and can't stand up in November and condone this. What can I send her to 'wake her up' from this Quixtar brainwashing. She is literally quoting book titles and her dream is to have lunch with her Diamond. WHAT!!! Before she met this guy, her dream was to have lunch with J-Lo.

I really need some advice, as her best friend, what can I do. Please help! I am at a loss on how to 'stop the madness'.

Mr. Larsen,

I read your review of "Pro-Sumer Power" and I wonder why you are so negative toward Network Marketing? Perhaps you had a bad experience with Network Marketing in the past. At least I want to believe that you have some experience with Network Marketing and not just spouting off an uninformed opinion.

At any rate, I must admit that your statement that "the terribly inefficient MLM marketing method" is inaccurate. If commissions paid to distributors come from the advertising budgets of the products and services sold via a network marketing company, then it is an extremely efficient form of marketing system for these companies since they don't pay advertising dollars until and only until their product or service is sold. That's why many large companies such as MCI, Office Max, Disney, IBM, Sony, Fischer-Price, Hickory Farms and so many others are embracing the network marketing model.

Whatever your prejudices may be, Network Marketing is becoming a very successful model of distribution and may very well be the vanguard for distribution in the future, especially in Asian countries. People complained about the airplane (if man were meant to fly...) when that industry started to take off but they were left behind with dour expressions if they didn't get aboard. You may consider it noble to try and stop the freight train but I believe it's losing proposition.

Tom

Hey Scott,

Although we do not know each other I feel that you are honest in your depictions and are showing a blanaced view of the Amway/Quistar, questionable at best and flat out fraudulent at worst, "Modus Operandi." At one point or another in my life (I am only 31, by the way) I have been on the "outside looking in", so to speak, concerning Amway. My brother first and then several friends thereafter, are ripe examples of the deception displayed by this company. Their "cultic" behavior and controlling tactics are a major motivator for me to embark on a search (somewhat like your own) for answers from this very unethical company. I thank you sincerely for your work and research and commend you for your desire to get people out of what seems to be "e-sectism."

Appreciatively,

The real reason for my e-mail is the listing of "David and Rosemary Humphrey" under the divorces. David Humphrey is a Diamond under Jack Daughery in ILD ("I Love Daughery!" was our joke name for them). Before Daughery split from WorldWide around 1995-1996, David was newly married to an APRIL HUMPHREY. April was his secretary and was quite a bit younger than him - in her early 20's, I think. I remember David on stage at an FED in Portland (that is where my wife and I spent our 5th anniversary - boy was I a jerk) introducing her and saying how their age difference (he was in his early 40's then) was no big deal and how beautiful a person she was. Yada yada yada. Anyway, if April is not Rosemary, then he was divorced twice, not once. If you can get ahold of any old WWDB Diamond Chips videos from the early 90's you can verify this.

Scott,

Thanks for the reply. I have yet to learn "how" to be successful in this business except to "show the plan" as often as possible and to "buy the things I normally buy" at any of the open meetings and IBO meetings that follow. I pay $8.25 per tape and so far all of them have been from the names in the business discussing their life stories and asking if "you're fired up!" My leanings are beginning to be towards being a member and giving up the IBO part.

I look forward to visiting your site as I continue to make this decision. Thanks for the information.

WE WERE INVOLVED IN THE BUSINESS FOR15 + YEARS-THEN TOTALLY INACTIVE THE LAST 3 OR SO. BO SHORT IS RIGHT ON. I WISH WE HAD SEEN THINGS CLEARER SOONER. WE REACHED THE EMERALD LEVEL. NOW QUALIFYING AS Q12'S.

THE WHOLE TIME WE WERE IN THE BUSINESS OUR UPLINE DIAMONDS NEVER QUALIFIED OR REQUALIFIED AS DIAMOND BUT GO ON LIKE THEY ARE. THERE WERE THREE OF THEM. THERE ARE MANY PEOPLE LIKE US THAT NOW LOOK BACK AND WOULD LOVE TO HAVE THOSE YEARS BACK, BUT THAT ISN'T POSSIBLE. IN ESSENCE IT IS SAD WHAT THE BUSINESS REALLY IS.

MANY GREAT PRODUCTS--BUT THE "SYSTEM" IS SCARY ONCE YOU GET AWAY. I HAVE TALKED TO MANY INTELLIGENT,SUCCESSFUL, EX DIST. WHO SAY IT TOOK A LONG TIME TO NOT FEEL LIKE A LOSER---THEY BEAT THAT INTO YOU. BO SHORTS EVALUATION IS VERY GOOD.

I ORIGINALLY WAS GOING TO GIVE MY THREE UPLINE DIAMONDS NAMES AS ONES THAT HAVEN'T QUALIFIED IN YEARS. IF IT WASN'T FOR THE SPEAKING AND FUNCTION MONEY THE ONE AT THE TOP WOULD BE BROKE,THE OTHER TWO I HAVE NO IDEA HOW THEY MAKE, EXCEPT ONE I KNOW IS BACK ON A FULLTIME JOB.

GREAT SITE YOU HAVE AND MUCH NEEDED.

MD

Hi Scott

As a 12 year veretan amway distributor (WWDB) I find your site very informative. I quit in 95' after losing about 35k to the tool scam! If only I'd had the internet when I first signed up I would have saved myself a lot of misery. Great website. I'm using it to deprogram my old amway 'freinds'. Keep up the good work. Many thanks.

Please add the following name to the list of losers,
Scott Larsen.
Some people who have never attempted to do anything great in life. Hide behind a web sites and poke fun at true champions. Howard

Scott,

Hi! I'm a Quixtar IBO since about Oct of '02. I think you've got an excellent website!! I wish more people were out to present objective and fair information.

I heard some of the Rich DeVos quotes on your website. I really liked what he had to say. Could you please tell me what tapes they are from? I would be very interested in knowing so I could obtain them from Quixtar or through my upline.

I just attended my first major function of Britt Worldwide last weekend, and was shocked to find a cult instead of good business training. That will certainly be my last major BWW function. I'm also concerned that Quixtar lets Bill Britt get away with what he teaches. He basically teaches people to build their business like an illegal pyramid with little mention of retail. He also teaches that going to his conferences and purchasing his tapes & books is the only way to succeed in the business. Both of those are violations of Quixtar's written rules of conduct, which they don't seem to be enforcing. BWW claims a 30 year proven track record.

With a 98% failure rate (I've heard only 2% are Eagles or above), I can only assume he's talking about the money made from his BSM business. I would be very interested to know the ratio of Bill Britt's income as a Quixtar IBO vs Britt Worldwide.

In spite of all that, I still see Quixtar as a good business opportunity, as long as one doesn't rely on their training (at least Britt's training), and is able to find an outside source of real training (or who is lucky enough to have a sponsor who has a proven track record of retailing and makes a positive cashflow).

Thanks so much for compiling all this great information on your site!!

-Patrick

Hi,

I am writing you because I was approached by a gentlemen who offered a business opportunity. This turned out to be the Quixtar system through Britt World Wide. I was wondering if you could inform me as to your personal opinion about this whole "deal" and perhaps steer me in the right direction. And response and elaboration at all would be greatly appreciated. Thanks for your time. I found your information very informative.

Robert

Dear Mr Larsen,

My wife and i are new IBO's for Quixtar. We have read a lot of informative material from your web site and from others we could find. We do however like the idea of a MLM and think we could do well without all the propaganda that these so called team uplines promote. Our plan is to just run the business honestly by setting up clients, members and IBO's without all the smoke and mirrors and our promotion would go something like this...We let the new prospect see our catalogs(which i think are put together nicely) we show them the business plan and sign them up as a client( so they can view the web site for themselves at no charge or obligation) answer any questions they may have honestly, leave them a business card and let them make a decision on there own.

We WILL NOT be promoting any tapes, videos, rallies, and we'll suggest to any new IBO's that if they are approached by the upline to get involved with this that they should stay away. We will work with them ourselves 1 on 1 to understand the business plan( FREE OF CHARGE ) and if any of them would like to get together for a meeting that they are welcome at my home. we believe the business can be run very inexpensively, and with a little leg work and old fashioned sales we could build enough of a client and member base that we wouldn't have to buy $300 worth of product ourselves every month just to make our PV/BV.

now my question.....do you think it is possible to run this way, or have you heard of anyone being successful without the backing of these bizarre teams, if you could please let us know i would much appreciate it, thanks j and t ( rogue IBOS )

My Fiancée and I got involved in Quixtar approximately 2 months ago, I'm already having my doubts about this business, and I keep getting the NO from all the people I've talked with about the business. I've accumulated several hundred dollars in debt. We have one down line and my total check for last month was get this $5.95. Our down line and us each did a few points over the required 100PV. I also figured if I were to follow the system to a tee, such as doing the 100PV at or over 200.00 open meetings 4.00 x 2 plus the gas to go there 15.00 multiplied by 4 weeks, meals after the meeting for 2 approximately 25.00 x 4 weeks. This doesn't include functions or books, tape, cd's etc. I would be spending on average 392.00 a month with a 3% return on my volume. It's not worth it. I've done the comparison-shopping and I find the products more expensive, that I would save more than my 3% return, shopping at a dollar store or Wal-Mart. I also feel that being an IBO(Independent Business Owner>) Independent meaning 1. Free from the influence, guidance, or control of another or others; self-reliant 2. Not relying on others for support, care, or funds; self-supporting. 3. Not dependent on or affiliated with a larger or controlling entity. For one thing, you are controlled by Quixtar as they do have governing rules for the business. Also you are somewhat controlled by your up lines and you count on the support of others(Down line) to make your business grow without them you would accomplish nothing. I also feel my up lines shouldn't be entitled to a percentage of the volume I generate IS IT NOT SUPPOSE TO BE MY BUSINESS. REMEMBER IBO INDEPENENT BUSINESS OWNER. I figured that if I could save a portion of what I'm spending on the business say 200.00 x 12months x say 30 years to my retirement. I would have accumulated 72,000 not figuring in interest. I also would not be going into debt. And to all those who think of us a quitters, we're not.

The business just doesn't work for all. If it did, the world would be full of millionaires!!! I wish I would have found this page before I became an IBO and to all those who want to try I wish you luck. Just remember before you take the jump do your research and get the facts, and see the pros and the cons then decide. I didn't do this I was sold on what is called the DREAM. To be honest with you all. I have the DREAM already. I have my health, the love of a wonderful woman, and the love of my family. Yes, I have debt and always will. Granted I may never make enough to have the fancy house, the expensive cars, and exotic vacation. Like I said I have the Dream already HEALTH, LOVE AND FAMILY. I would also like to say to that in the end, the rich only have more material things in life and the rich die just like the poor. So, to all, you may already have dream in front of you.

Hi Scott,

Hi Scott

Have been perusing the net in search of info on IdaBiz in Australia and how it is connected to Amway as I am currently being prospected. Any useful information for/against would be appreciated. Have been through their site as a guest but it really tells me nothing on the business.

Imagine you are busy so just any websites will suffice.

Thankyou for your time.

Sincerely,

Rod Collens

Dear Scott,

Thanks much for maintaining this web-site. This is a real eye opener. We wish that we were smart enough to have a look before we dived right in. But the moment we got in we realized how cunningly the system had been designed to drain money out of innocent IBOs. The funniest thing we noted is that people, even ones with PhD s get brainwashed to an extent that they do not seem to understand or accept that they are really loosing money on the business, sacrificing time with their loved ones for nothing, lying shamelessly to the down line, faking friendships etc.etc. In short they start embracing bad things and will insist that they are the best things in life! To every question we asked them, their answers were vague or untrue. When we complained direct to the corporation about products not delivered on time and errors made, we were told that we should not discuss these matters openly and bring negativity to the team! The products were not worth the price and only IBOs saw them as 'wonderful'. It was a bad business model that no far-thinking person would get involved in.

The amount we had to spend on tapes, functions, books, etc in the 9 months we were in this so-called business was tremendous and we never learned anything new or exciting from any of them. Yet, our up line would say 'you never know when you will come across something that will turn-around your business!!!" At last it happened! We met all our big-pin up lines, including the famous pinnacle couple at a function and saw right through them!! They were nothing but some business men & women who saw everything in $ signs. However, they were cunning and smart enough to camouflage with sweet talks about family, kids, job insecurity, God etc.etc. and people really fell for that! They forgot that they are merely a free distribution force plus a customer base for Quixtar products!

We have been out of the 'business' for 3 months now and life has never been better. We are working towards our goals and dreams by pursuing realistic and well-thought-out means. Still we get these unbelievably foolish e-mails from our up lines, like the one shown below.

Hey Guys

Those of us who are living in Canada are concerned about "SARS" But I thought that I will send this e.mail to set your mind at peace as in our business we can protect ourselves with awesome products we have. I thought I will list some of the products you can use in your house hold which can boost your immunity and to disinfect your house IF YOU DO NOT HAVE THESE PRODUCTS PLEASE ORDER THEM OR THOSE OF YOU WHO ARE NEW SIT WITH YOUR UP LINE AND THEY CAN HELP YOU OUT. PLEASE FORWARD THIS EMAIL TO YOUR NEWEST IBO, MEMBERS AND CLIENTS.

To wash your hands ANTI BACTERIAL SOAP CAT # 100100

TO CLEAN YOUR BATHROOMPERSUE DISINFECTANT (KNOWN TO KILL EVEN HIV VIRUS) CAT # E9765

FOR ADULTS

DOUBLE X CAT # A4300

TRI GUARD MUSHROOM CAT # 100318 (THESE CAN BE TAKEN EVERY DAY)

WHEY PROTEIN DRINK MIX CAT # 602001F2/601426F2 (WHEY PROTEIN IS KNOWN TO BOOST ANTIBODY PRODUCTION HENCE BOOSTING YOUR IMMUNITY) (CURRENTLY 20% PVBV UPLIFT)

FRUITS AND VEGETABLE CAT # 100648

CHEWABLE MULTI VITAMINS CAT # A 4305

ECHINACEA LIQUID CAT # A 8998

USE XS ENERGY DRINK CAT # 602741D2 AND 602668D2 INSTEAD OF COKE AND PEPSI....

E.SPRING WATER PURIFIER CAT # 100189/100188

IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FELL FREE TO CONTACT US

This plainly shows how stupidly insane one becomes by being in this business! The lady who designed this e-mail thinks that simple use of Quixtar products will stop SARs from spreading! She even goes to the extent to say that Quixtar disinfectant kills the HIV virus!! Maybe she should contact the WHO with this important information! Quixtar seems to be the answer for all problems on planet earth! (Maybe she has a suggestion for capturing Bin Laden & Saddam Hussein by inviting them for a Quixtar meeting next time!)

We hope and prey that all these innocent people. We have no bitter feelings about the money we spent on this. We were new in USA at the time and we take it as a learning experience. If our story opens the eyes of at least one person before he/she gets caught, we consider that an achievement!

Sincerely,

Shalini and Dilip Patel

Scott,

Love your website. It helped to open my eyes, and deal with all the guilt I had when I quit the business. I've recently learned that my former upline INET Diamonds Jim & Dinah Martin have left the business. Jim is practicing Veteranary Medicine in KY again. This was relayed through my former Direct to my former sponsor (still a close friend).

Jim and Dinah went Diamond back in 1979 or 1980. He recorded the very emotional and stirring "Keep the Eagle Free" tape, which was still a huge hit in the Amway circle back in 1998 when I got into the biz. I stayed in until early 2001, and (of course) never made any money in 2 and a half years.

Jim was in Bill Britt's downline, somewhere under Dominique Congiallero (sp?). When Britt broke off from Yager to start his own system back in the '80's, Jim went back to Yager. But Britt convinced 3 or 4 of Jim's Directs to stay in the Britt system.

When this was explained to me after about a year and a half in the biz by my direct, I should have put two and two together about the tool money, but it was used as an example of how loyal Jim was to Dex, etc., etc........

The sad thing is that Jim and Dinah probably never made half the money from tools that other diamonds who had all 6 or more legs in the system. This is going to sound strange, coming from a guy who's studied your site and read the "Smoke and Mirrors" book, but I still think they were good people. Jim never pushed too much in the way of tools on our group. We kept things very basic, especially compared to Diamonds like Billy Florence's and Casey Comden's organization (after listening to them speak.)

From what I could observe back in the late 90's, the Martin's probably weren't qualifying as Diamonds, but I can't say for sure. I always heard from my upline direct about a big group Jim had in Ohio, and some folks in Australia. But now, after learning what I know, I'm very skeptical. I do know that to compensate (some) for their "lost legs", Dexter would pay them to speak at several functions a year. He also kept their "Eagle" tape, plus a newer prospecting tape, very visible for all his lines to emplement (throwing a little money back to the Martins).

Thanks, M

My expenses far exceeded my returns, although I am still a member I will only buy what I think is good for me and is priced right.

There is a network company that just sells vitamins and minerals and the founder is giving back 60-70 percent to the distributors plus you don't have to purchase tickets and tools etc.

I won't mention its name for this is not the forum for that but I have got make net more in 3 months than in 24 months.

The interbiz system or whatever it''s calling itself now makes it on the tools they sell you.....FACT

 Scott,

I have no idea where you are getting your information about the Quixtar ecommerce Business. I do know, I have been involved with Quixtar for approximately a year and a half and it has done nothing but explode! Changing your personal buying habits to consume through your own business just makes sense. Why would anyone want to buy through Meijers, for example, when you have the opportunity to buy through your own business at competitive prices which in turn you profit from? Just like going to a retail store, some prices are going to be a little more expensive and some are going to be less. Although you profit from increasing the volume flowing through your IBO #, Quixtar is more than a "buying club pyramid scheme". This business is about having independance. Just for your information, your website is very iladvised and I'm not sure where you are getting your statistics? In your website you said "this is the last legal pyramid" and that's quite humorous because this business is the ideal model franchise. What makes a pyramid is not being able to surpass your upline in income, which I know is not true about this business because I already have surpassed many of my upline. Unlike the common business, being just an employee you will never be able to take your CEO's position unless death or departure occurs. That sounds more like a "pyramid" than this business, don't you think? I'm just one of many people who feel your website analysis is TOTALLY false!

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