Site Visitor E-Mail July 2005
You have an interesting site. Seems like you have spent $1000's of dollars in man hours creating this piece of work. Neways, i feel that i should also contribute my expirences of amway to you. I wish that you post this. I am currently at 6% level in Amway. I have reached this level in 9 weeks :P, pretty damm fast if you ask me. What did i do to achieve this?. Well the honest truth would have to be nothing. (I feel embarassed to say this). My upline has worked relentlessly to earn a passive income for ME at no cost to me what so ever. I read on somewhere on your site that a person spent 15,000 dollars to reach 1000pv. You and i both know that the only was he could have done this was if: option 1 - You typed it yourself (most-likely option), or of-course he was high on drugs). I have spent 0 dollars (and yes i still ashamed to say this) have reached 450pv. I am growth to fast that ive lost track of the people in my pipeline, and will definately be buying ALL my groceries from AMWAY this coming month. The thing that gets me MEGALY confused about your shit is. How on earth do you loose money :P. People must be really really dumb :P, cus i find it almost impossible to loose a cent, (Why??, because ABSOLUTELY all the products you buy are 100% refundable, without and reason needed). So if all these people apparently loose money, WHY THE HELL not just claim is ALL back??. Oh, by the way im 18 years old :P, soon to achieve a 450-500 dollar passive income. Do you know anyone like that? If you spent a quater amount of time that you spend on this interesting site building any business (not just amway), i believe you could have allready been a millionaire by now, (keeping in mind that even though you have some personal issues, everytime you read stuff you learn about it, which from my opinion would make YOU quite wise indeed, having the ability to sus out forecast scenarios.
(Oh and I've read some of your english, hehe and its pretty good :D)
Unfortunately your site has close to zero credidbility, and well simple does close to nothing as well besides waste your own time.
An to answer your question from before (if one of the diamonds will reply to you). Well the answer is of cource not. Any person with a substantial level of intelligence would not waste time replying to looping issues. (do you know what these are). Sorry if you dont understand, but i would love so hear what you have to say. oh yer and one more thing.
Adlai J Viper
Director of Adlai Enterprises Pty. Ltd
Hey Viper,
Where do you live anyway?
I guess you can read but you don't understand what you read.
You lose money by buying into the books tapes and seminars.
You won't make any money if you don't buy anything or have width. Your
upline might stack you into one line, but he will not build a second leg
for you. Most people can buy themselves to 6% in a week. I don't know
why it to you 9 weeks. Wait until you get to 25% with no width. Then
you will find out you still do not make any money.
It sounds like you are looking for something for nothing. If you don't
build any width you will have "nothing for nothing".
Take care. Let me know when you finally report a profit on your taxes.
Scott
Hi, Scott
:) Great to hear from you. Well, see in my case i dont buy tapes or cd's or anything like
that. I get given what i need from uplines. Thereafter its my own initiative to buy tapes
or cd's etc... You refered to 25%. There is no such level as 25% as the system is capped
at 21%. And i do agree with you when you stated that "Wait until you get to 25% with
no width. Then you will find out you still do not make any money.".
Well.... See its pretty hard to get to 21% without building your second or third leg. They
way is works is. Your uplines will help you get 10 deep. There-after having personally
introduced 2 people in that 10 deep leg, > You can now start your second leg. Go 10
deep again then start your third. At the moment i have 16 deep on my first and only 4 on
my second. By the time my third leg reaches 10, (which means at least 3 legs of 10 deep
each), the money will be very steady in deed, because the group is equal in its depth and
width.
It seems to me like you are refering to the old system. Perhaps update yourself to the new
system so we can both be on the same wave-length.
The new system is very fair, it does by no means promise money to individuals that dont
put in the effort. Sitting in the depth chains (pipelines), will most of the time only
provide greater discounts for the people in it. To make money obviously you need to
perform the steps i stated above.
I really like the fact that people in the depth chains who DO NOT wish to network with
other people or earn money, recieve the extra discounts (up to 21%) that they would not
normally recieve under the old system.
One last point about seminars. Yes i do believe that they waste a little money, expecially
the fact that you have to keep on going and going. LOL dont you agree?, but i think that
the seminars are there to help you fill people in without you having personally teach and
mentor them. And i recently attended the national conference in Canberra. The only thing
that i can say about that Conference is that is was life changing.
We were taught amazing things. We were told many secrets that the even the experts would
not like to share with the common man. And the wierd thing was
what???, Alot of what we where taught had absolutely nothing to do with amway, nor did
they try to push any products on us.
I have applied many of the things learnt to my own business (ADLAI Enterprises Pty Ltd,
Not amway if your wondering) and business had been steadily increasing ever since. I have
much much better people skills, and am more health consious than before.
Do you know what the difference between light dense, and heavy dense cholesterol is?, and
where is the only "one" place in the world that can test the levels of these two
substances in a human body?
Relavance??? None what so ever to amway, They teach us this so that we can be more healthy
and hopefully life longer more productive lives. Amway doesn't exactly sell veggies or
fruit, or a morning run for that matter. They encourage us to get of our asses and go for
that morning run to stimulate nerve muscule growth. (hmm, Morning air tastes nice, lol,
the little things we take for granted)
I think people just need to learn how so say no steadily. Uplines cant make you do
anything you dont want to do, I say NO in a respectful but firm manner and my upline and
he respects me for that. I use him to the fullest, to aid me in my Amway and Non Amway
business ventures. Works Great.
Kind Regards
Adlai
I was googling a relative of mine, and ran across some biting comments about amway and
quixtar. I have done some research on the quixtar business, and the facts speak for
themselves. The income opportunity is legal, honest and has passed the test of time. There
are overwhelming statistics that prove the business can generate wealth for those who are
serious and active in the business. The naysayers feel the need to display their sour
grapes attitude on the internet. Is it to "save" the rest of the world from
the jaws of private franchising opportunities, simply because they have a stinking
attitude? Perhaps they expected something for nothing, and are sorely disappointed that
fruit does not appear when the seeds are not sown and cared for. The owners and
successful quixtar business owners did not invent the principles of success. Those
principles were written by our country's most admired citizens. To date, I have not read
one word about Thomas Edison that he wrote editorials slamming fellow inventors. Instead,
he kept his nose to the grindstone and failed enough times to succeed. For the negative
individuals who have taken the time to post "putdowns" of a 50-year old
business, owned by highly successful innovators and charitable donators, your words speak
jealousy, laziness, lack of ability to relate to people, and refusal to accept mentorship
by those who have the knowledge and skills to build a business. You naysayers all
quit. That makes you a quitter. You would not have built this business anyway, because you
refused to change and accept leaderhsip. You cannot build an organization without learning
to be a leader. Fussing, whining, and criticism is not a quality of a leader. That's why
you are the writer of negative comments on the internet, and not a wealthy, time-rich,
leader of men.
Marilyn
My wife and I joined Quixtar about 3 years ago. I have read your website. MY Upline is the Mascant Trust they are both dead now.
We are in a group that is been with Nutrilite since 1934 before Amway or Quixtar was. Infact our upline enrolled Rich and Jay in Nutrilite. We are so glad we are too. Many Groups do not sell anymore which is against the rules. You must sell 70% to customers which we do. We mostly sell the Nutrilite Health Products. We do not buy tapes, or have Seminars. This is available to all but many get hooked into the System and Make NO MONEY...FACT....but if you work the Business and follow the Quixtar Plan you can and will make a great part time income. I wish your Website had some positive things in it too because we are not all in the system. We are not all making Quixtar and Amway to be a get rich quick Scheme. It isn't! It is a Business that can make you some good income...with out all the Hype and all the lies.
Sorry, so many have made it what it is. We are not one of those.
Scott,
Hi Guys, Hey I wanted to run something by you
two-You guys right now are sponsored directly under you're directs since your sponsor quit
Well when you renew I wanted to move you to a leg we are working with right now.
Sothat's where you guys come in. Instead of having you by yourselves under us-we would
like to see you benefit from this and put you in the group we building. If by any chance
you come across anyone that wants to join as anIBO you would then sign them up in that
same leg or line of sponsership-does
And you might ask why we want to do this? is for one thing your pv would Add onto the group we are building but also others pv would add on to you-because I am sending this request o about 6 people who are personally sponsered by us. And those that agree and we get the paper work going will be transfered first. We can talk about this in person on the phone if it is unclear-if you Agree understand what I'm talking about them I will be mailing you a Transfers sheet for you two to sign and it's as easy as that. Let me know if you are interested.Thanks
Hello,
Your article about Quixtar is a disgrace. Only if you knew how much this business model
has helped my life. Everyone in this business is not a crook. I have
living proof of my team DC INTERNATIONAL. We are group that is honest, humble and full of
integrity. So before you negatively bash innocent people. Do your
research.
I found your site very interesting and
informative. I was approached at work earlier this year to become an ibo. There is a long
story, but in a nutshell, I signed up and got my kit and soon realized how time consuming
this would be. I am not so greedy and driven for the almighty dollar that I was willing to
risk my relationship w/ my wife and my children over this "business
opportunity", so I got out and got my money back.
I think that there are ways to get the word/truth out about Amway/Quixtar in addition to
internet sites and word of mouth. If you could save even one marriage or one family from
financial ruin, it would be worth it, I think If interested, let me know. If you like I
can also give you my brief experience as an ibo.
I am a member of a Quixtar and I like to say everything on your page about Amway, Quixtar being a scam and illegal is false, it drives me nuts about morons like you who spread rumors that is right RUMORS about the Amway, Quixtar. you know what a pyramid is it is your job is one. You Know Why Because You Will Never Make More Then YOUR BOSS. Because in Quixtar there is always make more then your uplines there is many examples of it on my own group.
here is a FTC Ruling on Amway From 1979
In a 1979 ruling, the FTC found that Amway does not qualify as an illegal pyramid scheme since the main aim of the enterprise is the sale of product. It did, however, order Amway to change several business practices and prohibited the company from misrepresenting the amount of profit, earnings or sales its distributors are likely to achieve. Amway was ordered to accompany any such statements with the actual averages per distributor, pointing out that more than half of the distributors do not make any money, with the average distributor making less than $100 per month.
and another thing why companies like Disney OfficeMax, MC Sports, bass pro shop, Blair for men's and women's, Kodak, Orvis, true value, gateway, IBM, avis, kb toys, Adidas, Reebok, Johnston & Murphy, Rockport, Dockers, Timex, Kenneth Cole, Haggar, Claoborne, Ralph Lauren, Levi's, Lee's, Jockey, Liz Clairborne, Nile West, Columbia, Jonathon Martin, Maxell Coffee, Hanson's, Kellogg's, General Mills, Uncle Bens, A-1, Sweet 'n Low, Twizzlers, Kraft, Nabisco, Gardetto's, MCI, Visa, Cellular Phone Companies Like AT&T, Sprint, Nextel, Alltel, Cingular, Discover Channel Store.
hey idiot do you still think the Quixtar and Amway are a pyramid Even though You See a short list of companies that have partnered up with quixtar. another thing don't you think these have lawyers who look in to quixtar to see if it is legal or not. I think the reps at Disney sat down and said I think we need to sell some more Mickey ears let get in with the scam in Michigan. Know What Do Have To Say About That
A Proud Quixtar Member
David Jados
Dear Scott,
I have been looking through your site with great interest and have learnt a lot about
Amway that I didn't know before. I should explain that I am, perhaps I should say was as I
am not active in "The Business", an Amway Distributor in The United Kingdom.
In the early 80s my wife Jan and I were sponsored into the business by our close friend
and like many people decided to give it a go. Although your site concentrates on the
business in the U.S the business that is described is identical to the one we experienced
in the UK. That perhaps is not surprising as we were in Bill Britts downline through
Trevor and Jaquie Lowe.
Although we were no great shakes we did far more than most people and did achieve, for one
ecstatic moment, the dizzy heights of silver producer. Jan and I are still signed on as
IBOs as they now call distributors but haven't done anything for years. OK then that's my
history, here are a few of my comments most of which I am sure you have heard before.
Although I was always suspicious that our upline was making money on the tools I never
realised that they had made a completely separate and secret business out of it. Quite
frankly I am appalled at it, But as I was reading about it all I realised that that was
why they were always going on and on about tools. My God they were so good at selling
tools! When we ceased to be active I dumped hundreds of tapes into the garbage bin and
returned all our stock to our upline. Why did we quit? Because we had no money and I had
to get a job to pay off my debts.
In our own business about a third of our turnover was in retail sales which was unheard of
in all of our upline. Their comments to other distributors went something like this.
"Well Roger and Jan are doing a great job retailing but you cant' expect others to do
what they are doing so just keep on showing the plan and duplicate us. Their retail levels
can't be duplicated so don't mention them to prospects"
In retrospect it's so obvious but then I was brainwashed and I just didn't think. They
weren't interested in Amway turnover. They wanted more bodies to sell their tapes, books
and meetings to. And of course even if most others couldn't do what we were doing SOME
might, but then that wouldn't be duplication and that wouldn't do at all would it.
One day we went along to some big meeting, Dream Weekend or Family Re-union or something
like that to see the great Bill and Peggy Britt. Well he didn't go down too well in
Britain that's for sure. Britain is a far more tolerant society than a lot of the US in
many ways and in our "family" there were homosexuals, single males, single
females, and all the other types of people that make up humanity and when Bill Britt
starts up with his right wing Christian bigotted opinions everyone was thinking,
"What the hell has that got to do with running a business"? I don't think he
knew that my sponsor was Muslim and my upline Emeralds were Jewish either when he
basically insulted anyone who wasn't a Christian married hererosexual. When I heard him
that day I though what a horrible, ghastly, fat slob and the more I hear about him the
more I dislike him and all he stands for. Not too good for upline edification methinks!
Our upline double diamond Trevor Lowe eventually broke away from Bill Britt, he obviously
didn't like Bill Britt's message either.
Just occasionally I would think "How is it that all the really big pins that we keep
hearing about built their huge businesses before these fantastic tools were available that
they shove down our throats morning, noon and night. Maybe the way to build the business
is without any of these tools." But then you would be dragged along to some function
or other and would end up leaping up and down like a hypnotised rabbit and you would
banish these "negative" thoughts to the back of your mind and then you would go
out and duplicate, duplicate, duplicate, and just to build our upline diamond's tool
business. My god it makes my blood boil when I think of all the effort that people put
into it all. All the lies we were told.
When you look at all the thousands, maybe hundreds of thousands of people that have been
sponsored into the Amway business and how few made any sort of decent income out of it I
bet more of them would have been successful in the world outside Amway than working the
"business".
Am I still a distributor? Well I am still signed on. I like some of the products but I'll
never try to build an Amway business again. It's not a something for nothing business it's
a nothing for something business,
Regards,
Roger
Dear Scott,
about 15 years ago my wife and I sponsored a couple who looked at the plan and said that
they would try it out. The husband worked for Marks and Spencers, a large chain of
department stores here in the UK, as an accountant and his wife was a family doctor. They
were the perfect people to sponsor as they did everything that was asked of them. They
followed the system to the letter. After a year they quit.
It is quite interesting how they came into the business. They obtained one of the Amway
products from a customer of ours who told them there was a business attached to the
products but didn't quite know how it worked, so they then contacted Amway UK to find out
about the business. Amway contacted our directs with their names and to the credit of our
directs when they talked to the prospective distributors they said that we should be their
sponsors. I think most directs would have had them for themselves.
What our new downline did we should all have done. They kept meticulous records of
everything that they did and spent and made sure they followed the system that they were
told would guarantee their success, to the letter. They then evaluated their business
after one year and found (surprise, surprise) that they were nowhere near the projected
targets that they had set a year earlier. So they just said to us, thank you for showing
us the business but it doesn't work!
When you have been sucked into the business as far as I had been at that time you can't
believe what you're hearing. You don't apply rational thought to what you are being told.
It doesn't occur to you that what they are saying is right. You just keep making up
excuses for their failure and of course all the reasons are the fault of the distributors
not of the system. But of course they were right. When you stand back and let all the
rubbish that you used to listen to on the tapes and at the seminars gradually wash away it
suddenly dawns on you that they were right all along, IT JUST DOESN'T WORK!
What system were they using? Our upline UK double diamonds were Trevor and Jackie Lowe but
they were using Bill Britt's system of tapes etc. Many of the tapes were U.S. made and I
suppose Bill Britt got a cut of those. We also had quite a few American speakers come to
our big functions to speak. Bill and Peggy Britt a couple of times and Angelo and Claudia
Nardone I remember coming twice too and an emerald from New York whose name excapes me,
and others.
Now I cringe when I remember bringing my tape recorder to functions just to get the
"golden" words of some emerald or other, the chanting at the functions, the
adoration of some rather ordinary people just because they had built a business, trying to
get them to sign a menu, to get a few words with them, a photo with them. The trouble was
that with all the edification and "no negative thoughts" and all the
brainwashing you could be taken in by your upline. It's obvious to me now that not
everybody in Amway is wonderful, truthful, or just plain good, some are crooks, liars or
cheats or all three and more, and when no-one questions anything that is being said to
them it is very easy for people to be ripped off because they are just too trusting.
One of the things that I ask myself from time to time is "Would Amway have worked if
we had got rid of all these parasitic systems? Would it have worked if the business had
been run; well, as a business"? I don't know enough to know the answer but my gut
feeling is that it probably would. After all, the business grew quickly at the beginning
when, presumably, there were no or very few aids.
Thank you for the web site. I never thought that I would listen to another tape about
Amway but I have burnt a cd of Rich DeVos's Directly Speaking II for my wife to listen to.
Instead of just sending it to the directs he should have sent a copy to every distributor.
Just imagine the uproar if he had. What a shame he didn't,
Keep up the good work,
Regards,
Roger
Scott,
this should be a parody page but it is not... http://www.crimelibrary.com/serial_killers/notorious/bernardo/paul_6.html?sect=5
Hello Scott,
now it is already three years ago when I read your website and did some translations into
German. Nice to see that the website is still used by a lot of people to find out more
about Amway - especially since the activities of reps in Germany are still in full swing.
I just warned a friend of mine (who is unemployed and looking for work) because she got a
call from the same guy who tried to get me into this organisation.
That's the really bad thing about Amway - trying to lure unemployed/desperate people with
little money into this. I'll send you a feedback in German for your German feedback
website.
Best wishes
Bettina
Hey Scott...I've been reading your stuff on
Quixtar for a few years now. I have a POOR, pathetic brother/sister-in-law who are deep
into Quixtar
and have YET to make a profit from it. (Although, they say that MOST of their $$ comes
from Quixtar--he makes an additional $52k/yr with our
family pest control business--YET, HE IS SO FAR IN DEBT AND CANNOT EVEN MAKE IS MONTHLY
RENT! One should be able to raise on family on 52k, but we know where that $ is going)
Anyways, there seems to be a new MLM ("network marketing") scheme out
there--XanGO. They sell an extremely overpriced fruit drink containing mangosteen (a
fruit). They say it's the only thing out there that contains ALL the healing properties
anyone needs for ANY type of medical ailment. They brag about all their
"research" that backs them up...I read ALL their research, including PubMed, and
NONE of them are a case study on live people...it's all results from a petry dish/animal!
Plus, the distributors include "word-of-mouth" studies as research. I'm sure it
is healthy & beneficial, but XanGo distributors are preying on
people using guilt manipulation (I could give you a few situations I've encountered, if
you request them).
Recently, Costco started selling a similar mangosteen juice, Naturally Thai Mangosteen by
Agrolabs (which is 80% mangosteen; XanGo won't tell the public how much mangosteen is in
their juice). It sells for $18 for a months supply vs. XanGo's $160 monthly suply. Of
course, XanGo is in a huff now, saying they filed a lawsuit against Agrolabs because
"just by them creating/selling this juice infringes on their patent." Also, they
say THEIR product is better because their process is better--but there is NO research to
back that up!
They have other claims that they are the "fastest growing company" in the
world...they've "outsold Pepsi", etc. Of course, you may not see these claims on
their website, but it's what EVERY distributor I've encountered (some not associated with
others) has said--it could have been done in a perfect chorus because their wording/tone
was exactly the same! And, yes...they believe they will become wealthy off of selling this
single product!
So, if you ever have any down time on writing about Quixtar, I was kinda hoping you could
touch on XanGo.
I am not a failure nor do I cave when the going gets tough. You get out of the business what you put into it. The same holds true with any business. What other business can you put a minimal dollar amount out front and get such a great return?
If you sit on your butt what do you expect in return? It is called "work" not invest and get something for no effort.
My husband and I will be what they call "diamonds" someday soon. And believe you me it will be sooner than later because we believe in the system. Besides I get all the great tax write off's as a business owner. Guess what a mere employee can get? Nothing.
I have an accounting background and I do know that tax laws. I deal with them in every day life. I would much rather be a business owner than an employee.
And guess what???????? I will be retiring from my job with the next year thanks to Quixtar.
By the way maybe some of you readers should also search under Dexter Yeager. Maybe that would open your readers eyes to the truth of "Quixtar".
Scott,
I've been a traditional business owner for 30 yrs. My annual income is $180,000 a year. It took me 30 years to build my business to that level. We gross around $1 million a year. I have 18 employees. My operating costs, excluding salaries, is about $150 PER HOUR! What do you think is the success rate of individuals chasing their dream in traditional business? You obviously do not understand that Quixtar is an OPPORTUNITY not a guaranteed ticket to financial independence. It cracks me up when I hear people like you rant about what a scam Quixtar is. The fact is the rate of success / failure is no different than in traditional business. It might be somewhat higher in Quixtar, but that's because you can start a business for a ridiculously small investment, no bank loans and you can walk away with a "loss" that is would be a joke in any other business. I LOST more money in one bad business decision in my traditional business that all the money I have INVESTED in Quixtar.You have no clue what you are talking about.
I'm betting:
1. You have never owned your own successful business
2. You earn less than $100,00 a year.
3. You tried this business and you failed.
Although the actual stats vary from author to author, it is estimated that 80% of small businesses fail in the first year or two, and 90% in 5 years. The investments lost in these ventures are thousands or tens of thousands greater than the losses of the average Quixtar failure.
As to the cult crap - well, it's crap, just plain crap. In my traditional business I attend seminars, pay consultants, teach my employees our system of operation, have weekly staff meetings, etc. Doe that make my business a cult??
Is McDonalds a cult because they have a well designed system of operation that every franchisee MUST AGREE to 100% to own a McDonalds? Their system requires purchasing supplies from the franchiser PLUS a royalty!
If you truly understood business - well you don't, so I won't go into it.
Keep thinking like an employee that's all you'll ever be.
Gordie Allen
HI Gordie,
Thanks for the note. Obviously you have not been a Quixtar business owner for 30 years. Sure what you say about normal business is true.
Could your business survive with a sales per employee of just $2,000/year? No, I do not think so.
You obviously don't know what you are talking about when you think Quixtar is like a regular business.
I'm betting you and all those you recruited to Quixtar are losing money doing it.
The sales per IBO is just too small.
I bet you have not even read one book on Cults. Why don't you read Steven Hassan, before shooting hyour mouth off?
Keep dreaming that you will be rich from Quixtar. You'll only be reporting losses.
Regards,
Scott
Have you ever owned a real business?
Most "lose" money for over 10 years, if you include financing, mortgage etc. You obviously have employee mentality. If I can buy a printer from Office Max, pay the same price as you, and get a bonus check the following month, then who doesn't know what they're talking about. Keep ranting and I keep making money.
Gordie
I would never recomend your site to anyone. I wish I would not have found it. I do respect the fact that you have posted both sides of the 'issue' somewhat. You could be completely biased. My husband and I are IBO's for 4 years. I definately believe that the business works if you work it. Most people are prone to laziness and fearfulness, which can prevent success in any endevor. I am sorry that you feel so strongly that you have devoted so much time to your website(s). My family is much better off since being involved with Quixtar and BWW. I have meet so many wonderful people who have become close friends, that is priceless.
Scott,
Thanks so much for your website. I have never been more convinced that the Quixtar business is for me than I am right now.
God Bless,
John Pyron
i am a member of Quixtar and it is a legal and ethical business, why are you spreading rumors that business like our groups and amway illegal. it is like saying mary kay and avon. the Quixar groups are not a pyramid. you know what your job is a pyramid because you can never make more then you boss. in the Quixar groups you can always make more then the person above you and there is many examples of this in my line of sponsorship.
Another "anonymous" tip from me. Apparently Billy is now "suggesting" to his group that they not attend Yager functions (i.e. Free Enterprise, Weekend of the Diamonds). The reason I was told was that all the new diamonds are from Korea and they were teaching a different method of building the business, plus with the translation it was too complicated.
I checked Billy's website and noticed that all his Fast Track CDs are new ones -- none of the ones he used when I was still active. And he's changed the way he does business with tools -- no more V-Break. Instead, distributors can sign up for a special program where they pay a monthly fee and can then buy tools at discount prices. There is some sort of "board" that handles tool affairs and they get some sort of cut. Or there used to be one.
All of that sounds to me like it adds credence to the post made a few weeks ago about Billy and Dexter parting ways.Of course, again, you didn't hear this from me. You got it from some "internet rumormonger" who just wants to cause trouble. LOL!
Jane Doe
thats some funny stuff you have up there. im currently near the end of the
book merchants of deception i just wanted to wish you well
oh man seriously that line about "does your upline know you've been reading negative
websites" that was just too funny.
seriously you should be commended.
The actual truth from an honest INSIDE observer
I agree with some or most of what you say on your site. I think Quixtar is a great idea in
principle, except for the side organizations that feed off the well intending people. Like
Keith Richards said about Music: "In Music you find the best and the worst
people." And with the Idea of Quixtar you have some of the nicest people, but their
are these sharks actually ruining the whole thing for most people. They, the sharks, are
these side organizations such as InterBIZ, Vritt Worldwide, etc., who claim not to be
AMWAY at all, but who still carry Amway elements on ... for example the "training
system" in the form of CDs, Books, Communikate Voice mail, conferences, etc.
I joined through InterBIZ and thought it was great for about 8 months, but from the
beginning questioned why I had to stay on their "training system." but did so,
to try things out. Here's what I found:
I would say it is good to be on the training system for only about maybe 3 months, but
after that, they try to pressure you into staying on the training system, buying
(subscribing) CDs and Books every month for approximately $120 Canadian. Plus, you are
frowned upon if you do not have the voice system (another subscription of $15 to $45 per
month Canadian). InterBIZ people would use the line you have to lead by example and stay
on the system, and they pressure you to sign people up for their "system" which
makes them more money. Or, they would say "Show me a better idea, and then procede to
take your money when you couldn't.
I am on a line of sponsorship where we have a guy and gal couple winning awards every
month for having the most activity on their group and getting people on the
"system" and in the name of saving those people's financial lives!!! They are
nice people and I think they mean well, but they have their noses so far up millionaire
butt to see what's really happening around them. Nor do they want to take their heads out,
they are so afraid I think. This is actual truth! And yet I never saw them once contact
one person and sign them up on our group at all. They would work every new person's
personal contacts and friends and then move on to those peoples contacts. They would get
you to telemarket your friends. They never got anyone to join that they themselves
contacted and yet they were telling me I should talk to people in bookstores, etc.
Complete strangers who could be members of organized crime for all I know. They couldn't
even do it themselves. And all the people they helped other people sign up, weren't buying
anything each month to make a contribution either. I sincerely contacted everyone I know
or ever knew, and did everything according to their advice. So, when I asked about trying
to help make improvements, I then got accused of saying something negative about people on
our group and that I had signed a contract saying I wouldn't say anything negative about
anyone. This was not done by me at all. I was just too close to the truth I think, and
they said "Well, what have you done lately?" when I was attracting more
contributions then any of them since I joined! All I was trying to do was ask 'How can we
improve on getting people actually buying things?'. So, then I got stabbed in the back and
they actually had the nerve to try and ask me to resign from the organization. And when I
explained that all I was trying to do was help, they then ended the conversation by trying
to get me to stay on their training system and asked me to call all the people that may
have "misunderstood" what I was trying to say. That was it for me. If anything,
these people should have been apologizing to me. I am always accused of being too nice and
now they are trying to say I am the "bad one." If anything, this should
demonstrate to you readers out their what is most flawed about how these 'side
organizations' work. They are like little cliques. People can be your strength, yes, but
they can also be your weakness as demonstrated above. And this showed me what these people
were really like. They talk to you and act friendly, but only so far. And I eventually
realized that the reason for that was because they know you might find them out
eventually. I asked how come these people on our group are winning awards for getting
people on the training system, yet nobody was buying any product or any of us actually
making money? That was my crime. Then the framing and back stabbing, etc. So now, I still
buy from Quixtar, and talk to a few people, but will have only so much to do with any side
organization.
So, my advice is, that if you can join Quixtar and NOT a side orgainzation, do it! It
could help you to look at a side organization to see what I am talking about and learn a
few basics about promoting things and the facts about this opportuinity. But do not, I
repeat, do NOT stay with any of these side organizations. You'll be way ahead of the
game.The products are excellent, the idea of a shopper's union is great, and you will lose
nothing in the way of the opportunity. These side organizations are so non-disclosing it
is unbelievable. ie. They say you will spend x per month, but end up on their system
spending 3x per month and not seeing results that warrant it. They will tell you whatever
it takes to get you to sign up. Quixtar even warns about this when you are signing
people up. (I discovered
this later not being told at all when I signed up).
And to Quixtar, I say: These side orgaizations are ruining the whole opportunity for
people. Get rid of them as best you can. Make it more prominent on the site how these
organizations are not necesssary and will try and rip you off. The money you spend on
these CDs and books could be better spent on signing up your family members or friends,
etc and is cheaper!!! The bottom line is that for this idea to work, the products and
product base has to be sufficient to support it WITHOUT these side organizations. BE
WARNED from an actual insider! !!!
Stay away from the sharks! But remember, Quixtar itself rocks!!!
Hi, Scott
I've been a long-time lurker of your site and anytime since 2001 that anybody has
approached me with "The Business," I've referred them to your website. Bravo on
the good work and the guts to keep it going. I imagine the hate mail gets old quick.
I thought I'd share a bit of my own survivor story with you from the wife's perspective.
My (now ex-) husband and I were in WWDB and our upline diamond was none other than Ron
Puryear himself. Our emeralds (now diamond) were Ed and Karen Grosboll.
It's funny. I can remember being jealous of other people who actually got to see their
upline diamonds on occasion. We lived in Colorado and actually attended some of the Danzig
functions - like Dream Night and Artistry Clinics, etc. Family Reunion was always up in
Washington with the Puryears. We got to see our Emeralds pretty regularly, but to see the
Puryears was impossible. Never gonna happen.
Anyway, besides repeating everyone else's testimony on how they lost money (yes, we did
too), I thought I'd share with you how WWDB turned a good liar into a great one. They
always taught the "fake it 'til you make it" mentality. Act successful and
people will think you're successful. They'll want to join your group, and then eventually
you will be successful! All in 2-5 years, of course. My ex husband fed right into it. He
would tune out any opposition or negativity. Fearful
of his wrath, I supported him, sold the products door-to-door (remember, we were being
told there's "no selling" in this business), kept our household CORE and as
close to 300 PV/month as I could, and cooked the books at tax time. I hated the overpriced
products (many not as good quality as some commercial brands) and the tapes and the
functions, but I never let him know. To him, I was just about as gung ho as he was. A
"date" for us was getting a cup of coffee someplace late at night after he had
shown the plan. It really wasn't a date, though, because he usually spent the whole time
trying to prospect our server. VERY embarrassing.
My ex got so good at presenting the successful face to the public. Everybody thought he
was such a big shot. He was the upline's Golden Boy. Guess what? In the meantime he was
abusing his wife and children. Nearly killed our infant, home from the hospital less than
a month. At this I knew I had to get out of there - the marriage and "the
business."
During the time we were separated, before the divorce was underway, our upline sponsor
called me and had the audacity to criticize me for wanting to leave him. I advised them,
in no uncertain terms, just exactly what the guy did. The sponsors told me that they did
not believe he could do such things - they knew him so well, after all - and I offered to
show them a copy of the police report! They told me that it was not biblical for me to
divorce him. (But I guess it is
biblical to abuse your babies? Give me a break)
Our upline platinum called to express his concern, too. Yeah, right. He was really
concerned, I guess, at the risk of having the reputation of one his legs tarnished. Who
knows.
Anybody who says this isn't a cult is either blind or already a member. When you dream
about taking your vacation at the Puryear River House instead of with your own family,
away from all the WorldWide DreamStealers, then your priorities are seriously out of
whack. Once upon a time, I'm sorry to say, that was one of my dreams.