Scott.

Thank you for such an insightful and factual analysis of the AmQuix opportunity. You have confirmed what I had suspected and revealed far more than I could have imagined.

As an accountant I tend to have a critical eye and analyze more through facts and numbers than hype and generalizations. A good friend of mine has bought into the Quixtar opportunity and has been promoting it to me as the better alternative. Keeping an open mind, I looked at the opportunity and looked at the products and prices on the Quixtar site. I oncluded the prices were too high, didn't want to pay for shipping, and uncertain of some of its products quality. I explained to my colleague that I would not buy any of the products since it didn't deliver good value nor was it particularly convenient either to have to wait for it to arrive. And since I myself would not buy from Quixtar, I can not in good conscience promote it to friends and family.

He lent me a book titled "Pro-sumerism" to help me to see his point of view. The book's central theme was would you buy from Wal-Mart if you owned Kmart shares (something like that). Well, actually I would if the products were better, cheaper, or faster. Since most products are commodities manufactured by 3rd parties and readily available everywhere the better and faster aspect do not factor significantly into consideration. (Research reports on your site indicated that Amway's store brands' quality were comparable and at times marginally better than the big national brands. I would argue however that Amway's method of distribution is actually slower.) So price becomes the key point of distinction amongst retailers. And the truth is AmQuix's prices are noticeably much higher than those of say Wal-Mart (a conclusion I arrived at independently from my review of AmQuix's products and prices before I stumbled onto your site), as research reports on your site has confirmed. Going back to the question of would I buy from Wal-Mart if I owned Kmart shares. The answer is yes and I would furthermore evaluate why I am holding on to Kmart shares.

A second point brought up by the author was that people do not appreciate the value of their time and would drive for miles to buy a gallon of ketchup to save at wholesale prices. This argument is not valid unless you live in a remote rural community. Wal-Mart's highly successful cluster strategy for market penetration have made them ubiquitous. I have a Wal-Mart 5 minutes drive north of me, 8 minutes drive south of me, and 15 minutes drive west of me. I certainly do not go out of my way to shop. And I certainly do not buy gallons as the author suggested. I would hence argue that I actually

save time since I pick things up conveniently on the way home and even sometimes get an oil change while I'm shopping. And I even got a complimentary cup of coffee with the oil change at their in-store McDonald's at one particular store. So the experience was not only convenient but pleasurable. And in today's age of instant gratification, who can wait till

the next day for delivery?

I had suspected the tools business was profitable but you have certainly enlightened me on how profitable it is. And I was naïve enough to believe that the speakers gave speeches out of the goodness of their hearts to help others which I am sure is true but those speaker fees certainly add an extra incentive. I now understand why they charge $8 - $12 for each function and how much is left over after expenses.

Having said all the above, I drew similarities between AmQuix opportunity and the greater fool theory of stock investing. Each IBO will be as successful as there will be people they can recruit underneath them vs. a stock's value worth only as much as the next fool that buys it. But unlike the greater fool theory AmQuix opportunity does not grow isproportionately

out of reason where a stock's value trades at an increasingly unreasonable premium above its intrinsic value (based on rational valuation models which removes the effect of hyper market psychology) until the over demand under supply market distortion bubble collapses. Hence AmQuix will still be around for many indefinite years to come. Granted AmQuix's products are pricier and do not deliver as great a value as say Wal-Mart but low price has never been AmQuix's selling proposition. And a large segment of consumers do not seek low price, hence there is always room for competitors like Sears, Target, Gap, AmQuix and whatever else sells competing products in the US and around the world. Each company caters to a different product attribute different consumers seek - price, selection, convenience, and the often overlooked service or what I would like to call customer experience attribute. Where does AmQuix fall in the value matrix? Although the company's members promote price, selection, and convenience I believe that it is the experience attribute that many members / consumers unconsciously derive their benefit from. Hey let's face. We're human beings not rational calculating machines and we all have a need for social belongingness. I sure loved those family and friends get-togethers and dinners whenever we had an AmQuix meeting and the central theme of AmQuix helps bring disparate people together who really have no reason to get together. It's a great conversation starter too. Furthermore, it is a wonderful alternative for non religious people to be part of a group and provides a way for those who are religious to get together and "help others". Did I mention it also provides a common focus for couples to work together and indirectly

strengthens their relationships as well. AmQuix is an opportunity that combines the best of Tony Robbins motivational seminars, books, and tapes with a "simple in concept difficult to achieve" plan in the universal pursuit of wealth / financial freedom. But most all it provides hope along the journey that lightning might strike. And hope is a powerful force.

Is Amway a more efficient or cost effective way of distributing goods?

Probably not. But as economist Paul Pilzer notes our economy has become so productive thanks to technology innovations that we can afford not to work and not starve. And our productive output is so much higher that we can

indulge ourselves in the arts and culture which is why the movie, TV programs, and music industry is one of America's biggest exports. Since we are so efficient and so productive as a nation it is OK to indulge our surplus in entertainment and less than optimally efficient distribution systems. As so many AmQuix proponents are quick to point out, whereas an

item costs $300 in the past comprised of $150 manufacturing and $150 distribution it has now become $15 manufacturing and $85 distribution for a total cost of $100. The opportunity for savings is in distribution. I agree. Except that where AmQuix is $85, Wal-Mart is $65. But think of the premium as a membership fee to be part of a truly enjoyable positive

thinking personal development social group.

Will you get rich? For the vast majority, no. But then again neither did the ancient alchemists create gold but along the way they've invented and refined methods in metallurgy, chemistry, and pharmacology. And certainly along the AmQuix journey you will be sure to develop positive thinking attitudes and skills in leadership, public speaking, planning and taking

action. And you'll make a host of friends and enjoy great family get togethers as well. After all, isn't that what we all truly seek... not its sibling brethren wealth but rather happiness and fulfillment. In a sense lightning has struck.

Good luck to all AmQuix members and may you find true wealth on your journey.

Your friend.

Chris

Dear Mr Larsen

I am writing to tell You Your site is very informative, and also to tell You that The Amway Corporation is starting business in Sweden and Finland. A friend of mine joined and I´m a bit worried. I went to two meetings and felt very sceptic so I started looking for information on the Internet. I found out more than I wanted... this seems to be quite ugly.

In Sweden they make it a big issue how clean the products are for the environment, but not on any American site have I found a word about environmental policies. Do You know anything about that? They claim to have received an environmental award from The UN in 1989 and tell me that their products leave no trace in the environment only three days after having been used. The guy who held the meetings couldn´t give me any proof of this, and told me the organization was built on trust for uplines and the friend who called me to this meeting. It´s very hard to trust a friend though, who wouldn´t tell me anything about what the meeting was about before it started...

The name of the sales organization i Sweden is NetworkTwentyone and so far they only sell Amway's own products, but say that other companies are joining up.

Please contact me if you have any information about Amway and their environmental speech

Scott,

Just wanted to drop you a line and let you know your site is still right on target. I have been in Amway/Quixtar for about 8 years, sponsored directly by a diamond who is in turn directly sponsored by a triple diamond. We once had a mighty organization with 19 distributors, now all but one are gone. We dabble in personal use with the products we like, and my wife likes the convenience of shopping in Quixtar through the Internet. All you say is true and applies to me. Keep up the good work.

You surely spent a lot of time writing all this negative stuff about Quixtar. How much was your time worth? How much do you pay for your website?

Scott,

Thank you so much for your site. It was the catalyst/confirmation that caused my husband and I to decide to stay home with our small children NOW rather than waiting until had "freedom" by "going Diamond".

Briefly about us, and then my question: We got started in the business in 1997 and became Silver Directs 12/99. We would have qualified as Gold Directs in 2/00, but we unfortunately took over 100 people to Gooch Free Enterprise (now commonly referred to "Republican church") at the beginning of that month. Well over half left early Friday night and did not come back.

I believe that event was the proverbial straw that broke the camel's back for my upline Diamonds as well, because by June they were preparing the Directs for an eminent split from Pronet. As it was told to us and eventually promoted to the entire group, several Diamonds were working with Alticor to develop a new system that would give pv/bv to tools, as well as other changes in the system (fewer opens, only one weekend convention per year, etc). They called themselves the Roundtable Alliance and included Andy Andrews, Bo Short, Barry Joye, Tom Redmond, Chuck Vogt and others.

At our October 2000 BBS, Andy Andrews asked the host Diamonds if he could be "transparent" and proceeded to admit, among other things, that the main problem with the "negative" sites on the web is "that they are 95% true!" Everyone in the auditorium was whipped into a frenzy and eagerly prepared to leave Pronet and the rest of the "evil" AQMO's in the dust.

Well... at the November 2000 BBS, our upline Diamond excused the speakers at intermission and took the stage to tell us - quite nervously and inexpertly - that "we (were) back with Pronet and we (were) discontinuing Amvox in favor of a state of the art system called Genie. Goodnight." (He said a bit more than that, but not much. The meeting was over in 15 minutes.)

Finally - to my question: Have you heard the real story about the Roundtable Alliance and the reason for their demise? And what about the Diamonds involved - Andrews, Short, Vogt, etc.?

I've been so curious about this. Local rumor has it that our immediate upline Diamond has pulled completely out of the business. Thanks in advance for any information you may be able to provide.

Out of curiosity, I took the list of Dexter's diamond listed in his Profiles of Success book and compared them to the Q-12 qualifiers for this past year....well guess what only about 53% of them were in there. Though that was interesting.

Greetings,

I was recently introduced to "the business" and as always, what appears to be "too good to be true" usually is!
I am glad that I researched a bit! I filled out the contract, luckily no monies changed hands!
I thought it was rather odd when there was no web site directly!
Thanks for the heads up!
Boo

I just went to one of these seminars last night for a friend of mine that was hosting it. Have been through these seminars with IDN and Amway and tried very hard not to laugh at the speaker or essentially "go off" on him about this pyramid scheme. It always seems to be Dentists involved in these schemes. What have they finally invented toothpaste that does prevent and fight cavities where dentists are starting to see less and less patients? I think not.

But, all in all it is always a pleasure to watch these dreamers talk about the fluff.

Take care, (now I feel a lot better getting this off my chest)

Hi Scott,

Thanks for maintaining your site. It may be the last area on the net for truth. In addition, I am a none-active 2500. I download last years pv/bv for each month. I am in the process of cleaning the downloads on an excel sheet. Interesting how a base volume is maintained by so many people getting in for a few months and then leaving. I think there was 88 people in the group to maintain that volume. Maybe 10 active.

Thanks

Larry

are you affiliated with quixtar? and if you are, why talk bad about it? if you aren't, then why still talk bad about it? im 18 years old, just finished one semester of college and im not going back. i make well over 3500 a month and its growing. we dont lie to anyone, we tell them what they need to create a successful business and its their choice whether they want to be a part of it. there is nothing wrong with spending money for time. it is a little more expensive, but thats extra hours a day you dont have to price match at wal-mart, the commissary, and have ad papers all over. you just click away and get

it in the mail. ill tell you straight up, everyone has their own opinions, but you site is more like the bathroom walls of society. every joe blow out there who couldn't hack bww and quixtar has made a site telling everyone its evil because they dont know how to talk to people and petered out. that was their choice. its not convenient to go to every function, but my upline is more than willing to drive out here 2 hours out of his way to carpool to the next state. the friends you make in this business are unbelievable. all youre getting are failure stories of the losers that cant hack reality and like working 9-5 5 days a week. this isn't my success story, ill email that to you in a few months when i have enough money so my childrens children wont have to work. but you should really think about what you are doing to people who are looking at this business. you want facts, read forbes, or fortune, any of the REAL magazines, not what eric from indianna said about it because he was no good and the people in his trailer park didn't want to join. get a life and let people make their own

decisions. besides, there is a 12 month money back guarantee, how can you go wrong?

Ryan Matthews

Scott,

WWDB still does pickup on all core-line products. They say they are closely watching the success or non-success of all the lines that went to direct fulfillment to see what to do in the future, but they still believe that the "high touch" of the local fulfillment is a necessary part of the business.

I have attached the Kate messages in a zip file. They are MP3. I think you might find them a little interesting. I especially appreciate one of the messages where he tells you how to deceive people into believing that Amway sold all of it's products in America to ABG when we all know that Amway and ABG are both Alticor companies.

The Prosumer IBO is just the new name for what WWDB has been teaching for a while. They teach you to not sign up a member by Quixtar's definition, but to instead sign them up as a wholesale customer which means they sign up as

an IBO, but not with the intention of building the business. They are now just changing the name to Prosumer IBO. I have not seen anything written on any of this, just heard it taught in night owl sessions.

Canceling the SOT is saving me ~$75 a month. I have decided that I cannot continue building the business

under WWDB as there is just too much deception. I told my upline mentor from the beginning that I would not compromise my integrity. I guess he thought I would soften to that as I got sucked into the business. I almost

did, and I have had to repent for that. I have quite a few old Kate messages saved to my hard drive however and I will see if there is anything that might be of interest to you in them.

Have you heard the Bill Hawkins tapes, "How to Contact & Invite"? He has a section on that where he is talking about being prepared to get out of a sticky situation when doing calls. His method was to call from a room that had a counter and a hard surface floor and then if he got questions that he was not prepared to answer, he would knock the pan off the counter and say that he had to go, cause he just knocked a pan off the counter. He say's, "that's not dishonest cause he really did knock a pan off the counter". I heard this shortly after I got in and told my upline there is no way that I would ever do anything like that and that I had very little respect for anyone who would. If you are interested, I will try to get an MP3 recording of that to send to you.

Scott,

I am curious, you have seen the reality that many people become Emerald, Diamond, or even Crown, and yet some people just make foolish decisions that cost themsleves and others a lot of pain. As is evident from the fact that people actually requested more information about your foolish "Quixt-Worx" hoax; some people will believe anything they read or hear.I have been around a long time and have seen Platinums, Emeralds, Diamonds, and yes... even Crown Ambassadors fail. It is a fact that people are people,

and people make mistakes.Why would you place so many negatives in front of people that couldnt possibly understand the actual potential avilable?

It only makes sense to give people ALL positives when they are in your organization, when they get negative information, it takes their eyes off of their DREAM, just like a distraction while driving a car... if the distraction gets your eyes off the road, you'll crash.

I am curious as to what level YOU achieved as an IBO, since you have seen fit not to list any credentials of your own, I can only assume that you have none. Any literate person can gather data and create a free website.I hope to hear from you.

Thomas

Thank you for your response...

Its not that I think it is bad to tell people that retail sales are important or to share any other truth with people that are prepared for it, but it can hurt people to tell them information that they do not understand.

I have been around AMWAY since 1978 when I sold products for my mother. I have learned that AMWAY/QUIXTAR are like every other capitaliatic entity, commonly called business, in America in most areas.If you look at any big business, you will find several commonalities.

Take Microsoft as an example... Bill Gates is at the top of this true pyramid, nobody will ever make more money than Bill Gates at Microsoft. There have been several lawsuits against Microsoft. Only a very small percentage of Microsoft employees ever reach financial independence. Most people at Microsoft are in very low income positions.the previous statements about the Microsoft company are all true, and some people say that they "hate" Microsoft because of some of them, but the reality is that Microsoft has created income for thousands of families and has helped several people become wealthy.The fact that some crackpots may be employed by Microsoft does not change the fact that it is, overall, a good company.

The same thing hold true for AMWAY/Quixtar, with one BIG exception... Dexter Yager makes more money than his upline, as do others. Yes, there are crackpots involved in the opportunity, but it is still a viable business that has the potential to create financial freedom for people.

Think about it,

Thomas

Scott,

When I asked you about your credentials, I was not asking about any formal education. A formal education means that you have learned theory, but it does not show that you have any real-world experience in business ownership.

I have been a business owner for most of my life, in some way or another, and I see things from a very different perspective than college professors. The reality is that most businesses do not generate a real profit for the

first year or two, and the Quixtar opportunity is no different. The way you have discussed the issues thus far has shown that you have an employee mentality. I suggest that you read the books, "Cash Flow Quadrant" and "Parable of the Pipeline" to help you to consider changing your paradigm about business.

I have owned traditional businesses before, and I "lost" (actually invested in my education) over $20,000.00 learning the health & fitness industry, but I created a profitable system that is, to this day, ahead of its time. The problem was that it took me a year of mistakes to figure it out. I was paying too much for rent ($5000.00/month), and even though it got above the monthly break-even point, I was four months back on rent. I will be in the fitness center industry again, as a franchisor and will use the business system that I developed a few years ago.

One reason that so many people become an IBO, but dont build it to the "Diamond" level in two years is because they do not have the mentality of a "Diamond".

If you want to put your money where your mouth is, start a business of your own and talk to me in two years. Document your experience and let's see how you fare in the real world. I litterally just got started in Quixtar last month, this time, due to several "family" issues. I don't think anyone would want to experience the joys of having their mother go through two strokes, plus going through two divorces in a six year period. I did build up to 1000 pin after only four months; unfortunately, I had to stop to take care of my mother and at 2500 pin, you cant stop building and expect it to propogate

itself. I had built it up to 2500 pin and was near the break-even point.With my current growth-rate, I will be back to 2500 in two months, and "Platinum" within six months. That is on the schedule of a single father of two with a full-time salaried job as an Engineer.

I look forward to hearing about your business success, and I actually hope you do quite well... your going to have to do really well to keep up with me!

Make it happen!

Thomas

P.S. What are your DREAMS and goals???

Scott, I wanted to write to you, and let you know that I'm seeing both sides here. The positive IBO's, and the negatives that you see in the business. There is no doubt that there are some pretty immoral people out there running systems that take advantage of people, and I'm very happy that you are exposing them. The only thing I hope is that people don't throw away the quixtar opportunity because of it. We have to remember that Quixtar allows anyone to become an IBO, and also gives them the right to run their own business how they see fit, obviously within some guidelines. The negative out there is being created by horrible individuals that are screwing people, by creating bad systems. I guess the thing I hope to get across is that Quixtar is not a bad business, or company, in fact its an american success story. Quixtar is not responsible for these bad systems out there. Rich, and Jay are not some of the richest people in the world from having a business that screws people. They just unfortunately had some bad seeds get involved, and build their own crap business(a bad system)on top of the quixtar business. I hope that made sense. I just hope you make a clear separation from the bad systems out there, and Quixtar. You have to remember that even though there is a lot of bad stuff happening out there, there is also a lot of good too. There are people doing it wrong, and there are people doing it right, and if you're putting the blame on Quixtar, it can hurt the people that are doing it right. I'm proud to be involved in the line of sponsorship, and organization that I'm in, and yes, I do know for sure that their doing it right. I don't want to include the name because I don't want their name associated with any of this mess. Keep exposing the bad guys, but remember there's some good too. Please leave an impression with people in a way so they know to watch out for and research WHO&WHAT they get involved with, thats the dangerous part, but that the Quixtar business itself is not.

p.s. please don't have my e-mail shown. Thanks.

JS

Scott,

I am writing you this email because I feel that your site only represents the negative. I think you can agree that any business involving people can have shady people involved and that any business can have positive and successful people involved. I am very impressed with the time and effort that you have put into your very informative site (I am a web developer) and can see that you are a very intelligent person.

With that understanding established, I would like to point out that the information that you have provided doesn't portray all of the amway/quixtar opportunity. I share your concern and belief that a majority of IBO's misrepresent the opportunity and promote mis-truths when they show the plan etc. However, not all of us do that. Please understand that I am no way intimidated by your site as I am probably one of a very small minority that actually educate themselves about every possible aspect of the opportunity that I can find. But... I know the power of the positive influence it has had on my life. When I saw this opportunity, I was stuck in life.... truly. Since that time (with the information and perspective that I gained from the Amway opportunity) I have increased my non-Amway income by over 500% (over a period of 5 years). Sure... I ran into the same problems and people that you describe on your site... I actually have heard them frequently referred to as Ama-bots. I quit twice. The first time was because it was just too hard to fight with my negative wife who subsequently had an affair, took a job as an escort and had a child by one of her customers... and she doesn't know which one. The second time I left for another MLM (Maxxis 2000) which wasn't even close to as positive as Amway. After all that... and A LOT of maturing (I am now 32) I find that this opportunity affords me a very good influence on my life as a whole. I have made some very close friends over the past 5 years and am proud to say that I am involved in this opportunity. There are some things I don't "duplicate" from the tapes/open/functions and neither do my sponsors (I contacted my first sponsors and asked them to sponsor me again). I think that it is unfortunate that a tradition has formed among most lines of sponsorship that promotes these mis-truths but I think that if

you look at it logically you can see why it has.

1. The majority of people that become involved in this opportunity have little or no knowledge of business in general.

2. A majority of people have learned that lying is a tool to get what they want or manipulate others.

3. People tend to exaggerate or fabricate things to "get them in".

4. Over the life of Amway, "the plan" has evolved from it's original into the twisted thing it is now due to the above (I don't show that plan and am attempting to create a new tradition)

5. Most IBO's have no idea what "helping others" means in practice.

Also, some very important points to consider when considering the viability of the opportunity.

1. Quixtar hasn't even reached Critical Mass. (Please don't relate Amway to Quixtar because they ARE different.)

2. The measured response to any MLM opportunity directly relates to the state of the economy (This point will be proven if we continue to move into recession).

3. A dead horse doesn't generate 5 billion in sales in a year or experience 59.6% growth in revenue from year 1 to year 2 in a 2 year old venture (see point 1).

4. I have seen a "thorough house-cleaning" occur since quixtar. Many people don't like change... especially when it comes to learning about computers.

5. If I can build my business in Grand Rapids, Michigan at a steady growth

rate (PV/BV).... ANYONE WHO ACTUALLY WORKS AT IT can get similiar results.

Thanks for taking the time to read this and think about it. I would really appreciate it if you would reflect the positive side as well as the negative. I think that your site would be much more informative then. Also... one other point. Alticor doesn't prohibit anyone from producing their own sales aids or motivational tools (as you know) as long as they are reviewed and approved by Alticor. Maybe you should start looking into what Casey Comden and The Doyles are putting together. I am not affiliated with them... I just know that they starting producing their own "system".

Shawn McAllister

Scott,

I went to a bunch of major functions while doing my time in Amway. I took my tape recorder with me and taped most of the speakers from the table I was at. I am listening to a tape I made from the Rummel Dream Weekend (5/6 Nov

99). What a bunch of crap. I thought so then, and I was out of Amway in May 2000.

Would like to have these tapes. Otherwise, I am going to reuse them. I am really thinking of throwing them out because they have Amway was once recorded on them. I'll send them to you if you want to hear them. However, you may want to get back into Amway if you listen to them.

I also have notes that I took of the functions that I attended. Would you like them also? They would be great stuff for your site. I have the names of the diamonds in the notes who were responsible for what I wrote.

I really enjoy reading your site, for the same reason I enjoy visiting the Vietnam web sites. They were both an experience and I am glad they are both over. But, for me anyway, being in Amway was much worse than my being in Vietnam. I can't believe people are still getting into that thing.

I remember one Tuesday or Thursday night open meeting. The person doing the meeting asked who was here from groups other than the Rummel organization. One woman who stood up said she was in the Foley organization. Everybody, unfortunately even me, was awed by the Foley organization presence in our organization. I am serious about that! You should have the 'oos' and 'aws' when she said she was from the Foley organization.

Now that Foley's name is listed as a defendant in a lot of the lawsuits, I wonder if he has lost his halo.

What a scam.

Keep up the good work,

Richard

My wife just witnessed this new Quixtar in action. Total fakes. They need to be prosecuted for degenerating our society. We are much more intelligent than these scams. Time for the ponies to own up to their failures and face the music.

Scott. Here are the 12 WWDB diamonds that dropped to Emerald., there may be more:

Al Gallo

Randy Sears

Duane Kaneshiro

Mike Carrol

Frank Radford

Rod Jao

Darrel Ansley

Gary Lowary

Brantly Compton

Ross Hall

Larry Koening

Jim Brooks

All these guys are appearing at mini rallies and Emerald opens. Also none of their pictures is in the "Succeess Stories" in the www.wwdb.com web site

Feel free to go to www.peapod.com because it is a great place to compare prices. I'm one of the few lucky ones who can actually get Milk, Fruit, Meat, Veggies, and everything delivered right to my door! They serve my area here in Northern Virginia.

Peepod v. AmQuix price study

This site has been very educational, in the worst sense of the word. I have been in quixtar for less than six months and my last check was for over two thousand dollars. I spent $350 on products (optional), $26.60 on tapes and bout $100 on gas.

Gross income $2000

Expences $ 126

Profit $1874

Products I $350

would have

bought anyway

I've never met you, but if I ever do, I'll shake your hand.

If you ever make it to Athens, Georgia, we'll take you to lunch.

Franklin

"Revenge is a dish best served cold." Khan, _Star Trek II, The Wrath of Khan_

When I made I error of joining Amway, it was in 1996. I was under Bill Britt. I can't remember the name of the Pearl below him, but my immediate upline was a man by the name of Ned Gilcrest. I could see the crap after the first few 'training meetings', but I always thought that there must be a secret that I wasn't aware of if these other guys had already done it. Then I did some checking of my own. The way these guys react to any negativity act all illustrates many of the characteristics apparent within a cult mentality.

After a few months and about $1000 wasted, I got out. I think I was one of the lucky ones.

That being said, I know someone who married a girl that I knew years ago (very, very long story). He is now a Quixstar rep, and tried to sell me on the idea.

He had me met with one of his people a few months ago while we were having lunch. I'm in sales, and doing well as an marketing director of a regional publication. He wants me in his downline so bad it's makes him crazy.

I told him 'no.' I told why. And, then I found your site and I sent him the link. He then wanted me to go to a group meeting, where I could find "the truth." I again told him 'no', and hadn't seen him until about a last week when I was having lunch in downtown Athens. I had my publisher with me, and we had a very nice lunch. He didn't bring up Amway/Quixtar once.

I wonder though, he seems like such a bright fellow, how the cult mentality was able to get to him as thoroughly as it has...

That being said, God bless you, Scott. You're site allows those of us who have survived the ordeal the opportunity of knowing, one, we're not alone, and two, the ability to effectively warn others.

Take care,

Franklin

I found your website on the internet and i found it to be very well done. I myself am involved in Quixtar. I was wondering what u have heard about Quixtar , to me it is a legit organization i know where the money is going as of right now and how checks are generated and its all through volume not tools . The tool money "profit" is being used to host the opens seminars and speakers. If u have heard anything else i would be happy to know . Thank you very much

Well, Scott, it sounds to me like sour grapes. You sound like someone who is trying to steal other people's dreams and condemn them to staying at their J O B and dying within the first few years of retirement like the "average" people out there. Shame on you... I have a question for you...

Do you think this opportunity is worth the time and trouble if someone was at one of those early "Amway" meetings years ago and attended an "optional" church service and got saved... and shared that with their entire family and they all became "saved" and now are doing great things for others everyday all over this world... making it a better place to live???

In light of what happened on 9-11, I think you should rethink your motives of this "sour grapes" web site and GROW UP... more good comes from these experiences than bad and I think it's time for people like you to take responsibility for your own actions. You obviously were "in" the Yager-Britt and maybe WWDB goup and obviously "quit"... which means you quit on yourself and your own dreams... and now you're trying to hurt other people.

Scott,

thanks for the reply... enlightening.

Some people choose to look at the glass as half full... that would be me and the people I associate with. I cannot speak for all those people who have had bad experiences... I guess I am one of the "lucky" (I prefer the term "blessed") few who is in an organization that is exactly like Robert Kiyosaki describes in his book (ever read his stuff?).

I am not in Yager, Britt or WWDB.

I can understand why an opportunity like this would bring to the surface marital problems. So does military duty, JOBs, travel, upgrading your home, having children, sickness, disease, neighbors, in-laws, the weather, pets, car problems, money problems, bills, extra marital affairs, etc etc. It's called life. Personally, we have experienced positive growth in our marriage... in fact in all areas of our life. Probably because we're one of the "lucky" few.

As for AmQuix... or whatever you called it... being a religious cult... I don't know what "you people" call it... I just feel it's an awesome opportunity to excel in life. Because I'm one of the "lucky" few who is in an awesome organization, my family and I have had some incredible life-changing experiences over a long period of time. The experience for us is exactly what we needed in our life to keep our marriage together and like everything else in life... when you experience something good, you want to share it with others. You know, like when you get a good deal at a restaurant, grocery store or the local car wash... most people would pass that on to their friends, family or neighbors. Well, that's how we feel this opportunity is... that's all... we don't promise that it will have the same life-changing effect on them or that they'll make a million dollars in two days or that other people in the world out there won't be mean to them or tell them things that aren't true.

As for a job... wow... haven't you been reading the paper? There is NO security in a job these days and life has changed the program. If people don't have something in their life that is an opportunity to succeed, I'm afraid they lose ALL hope in their future... and rightfully so. Who wants to go to a job they don't like, and hang out with negative people all day that they don't like, making the kind of income that doesn't "cut it" for their family, and then find out that their company is laying them off or going "belly up" and they have to start over tomorrow. You know, Scott, it's a scary place out there in the real world (that's reality) and all I'm doing is offering a little hope that it can be better. No one can offer promises because this world changes too drastically every day.

hello.

thanks for all your info on quixtar/amway! i was recently hounded by a guy whole tried to recruit me as an ibo. i knew right off the bat it was an mlm or pyramid scheme so i kept prodding him on what the business was. he never said anything specific but kept on saying that if i were the right peson...blah blah blah.

he lent me the recruitment cd to listen to. it just has the standard garb on it...i grabbed some clips from it. if you want to use them on your

website, let me know.

keep up the good work!

Dear Scott,

I have to say that my heart hurts so much to see people feel like they couldn't find the right team to get to where they weren't losing money. I am going to continue to fight to make sure my team feels like they know all they need to know from the get-go, if there is a sure way for everyone to feel that way. I want people to know that regardless of other diamonds who may have been unethical, there are those who truly care to make a difference and are not motivated by greed. I know I needed the dream to be successful, so that I didn't quit or move at a slow rate to where I felt I needed to give up. It isn't some fake tool I use to sell. I use it because I believe the business IS impossible without it. Even though a majority of people are not successful in this business, it will not get in the way of my team's goal. And I will fight to get my team with there me. Because if they aren't successful, and I don't help them, then it is impossible for me to be. Many people don't understand that. Maybe they were with the wrong people and possibly even wrong motives.

p.s. A majority of us are not crazy, profane, narrow-minded, greedy and illogical as many indicated on this site. We are just your normal people doing the abnormal for an extraordinary lifestyle. I hope that those who were unsuccessful find another way or the same again to achieve those hopes they felt so close to attaining.

Please post anonymous

I was recently approached by a friend who I hadn't seen in a few months. He began giving me the Quixtar speech. He had pamphlets explaining the whole thing. I had many questions as I have sat through Amway speeches before. He couldn't answer most of them, but I will let that slide since he is fairly new to the cult.

The reason I write this email is to thank you, as many have before me, for giving people on both sides of the coin an opportunity to have an outlet. I read many of the "testimonials" and saw that they looked like every story I have ever heard about this pyramid organization.

I also took the time to read the "Bad Things IBO's say to me" section. I have sent email to a few of the addresses in that section, but most came back as undeliverable. I was wondering if there are still people threatening you or trying to scare you into removing this website, but apparently, they have packed up their bags and moved on.

I have this to say: I am a Christian. This is clearly a cult-like group. Anyone saying, "Read the Bible," needs to stop and remember "Do not point out the splinter in your brother's eye when you have a plank in your own." Anyone saying, "Meet me at the park so we can handle this like men," is referring to cavemen. Basically, every time you lay out the facts, these illiterates respond with threats of physical violence.

Texas Law Dog

Email me with questions, comments, and death threats.

An absolutely amazing website. Brilliantly done. Thank you!

Hello!
I have a friend in Quixtar (much to my dismay) and she told me that she was trying to get this couple into another part of the Quixtar business.
She was telling me about this new "business" ("It just came out," she said) where you sell to businesses instead of individual people. She told me that there are members, IBO's who sell to the public and now a new IBO who sells to businesses (like selling them toilet paper, water, etc.)
I was wondering if you have heard about it and if you have (or plan on) covering that aspect of Amquix on your website.
Thank you
Jenny

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