Hello Scott,

Quixtar has ruined my life.

Back in May, my longtime boyfriend moved in with me because we felt we should live together before we got married. In mid June, he came home one day with this great idea. I wasn't too thrilled about it, I am a cautious person. He claimed that one of the people he worked with showed him the Quixtar website. Well it all went downhill from there. These Quixtar people starting calling him, nonstop. They hyped him up on this completely ridiculous idea. He started attending these weekly seminars, and started hanging out with these people. I saw him less and less. Each time we did see each other, he would talk nonstop about the business and try to convince me to go to these meetings. Pretty soon, I became a "negative" person and when I would merely ask him a reasonable question about the business, he would become extremely defensive and explode in anger, going off on this tangent that sounded so rehearsed. I gave in once and went to one of those weekly meetings. Some of the things off of your website are what they say VERBATIM in those meetings. Everyone was also too nice... it just seemed so eerie. The closest thing it reminded me of was a cult. The hype was absolutely insane - I felt like I was on a different planet. The chanting, yelling, people hyped up on XS. They had people parade across the stage, telling their occupation and level and how successful they were in the business. They also spouted off usual statistics and I looked around the room wondering if anyone understood the crap that the speaker was writing on the board.

My boyfriend is completely brainwashed. He stopped watching TV (which is like pigs flying over the moon) and he stopped listening to the radio. He always listened to those tapes and always tried me to get to listen to them. He also started reading books, and he NEVER read books before. He was never at home, never did chores, stopped paying bills, and then wanted ME to spend my hard earned money on "the business." We constantly fought about the business and how I wasn't being supportive and how I should really listen to the women on the tapes because they could help me out. HA! Well it turned out that I was just too negative of a person, and he decided that the business was a part of him and if I didn't accept that, then it was my fault. He moved out, actually with someone his upline recommended, of course!

I guess matter what you do to convince a distributor that this business is bad, they will probably run straight to their upline. I even found your site after he moved out, which I wish I had found sooner. The point is, we got along great, we were planning a future together ,until this business came into his life. He always claimed that he was doing the business for our future and he would retire in 5 years and then get to spend time with me, blah blah blah. He just tossed me aside for the Quixtar people.

Once a person gets brainwashed by this business, is there any way to get them to snap back to reality? What is the average time it takes one to realize that this business is complete bullcrap? I don't know whether to wait for him to come back to reality or just move on with my life. Please help.

Thanks,

K.B. - in Virginia

Mike Popovich has again fallen out of Diamond Qualification.WWDB has no new Diamonds to parade on stage at the 2005 FEDs

Hi Scott,

Can you tell me if this sounds familiar?A few years ago my now ex-wife Caroline, got involved with quixtar. She attended all the weekly meetings and all the out of town conference, she paid and paid. One day she came home with a poem that would only have made sense to an quixtar I.B.O, I just didn’t see what the big deal was. So, a little bit of time past and she spent more and more time with Stacey, her mentor. I could help but wonder about all the brainwashing that must go on in these meetings and so forth. Just to say, I search high and low to find any positive feedback about quixtar and couldn’t find any compared to the ton of nightmare stories. Well here is yet another, at the time I refused to believe in “the business” and this made Caroline upset. One letter I read told of someone leaving her family to be with a true believer, someone from the quixtar cult. So shortly after, Caroline asked me too move out, only for 4 weeks so she could get her mind together. Yet another lie of hers, Must have been her up-line support that brainwashed her to do this leaving our 2 children without a full-time father. Caroline has been so washed that she believe everything she says is true and has mastered the perfection of lying to family members, this must be a real thing with all the quixtar believers. So tell me scott, how often does this happen? A family for 15 years to a single money hungry brainwashed lady.

Thanks

Peter M.

Hi Mr. Larsen,   

My name is JT, 19 years old, and am currently studying Teacher Education at my state university. A friend of mine told me about Quixtar, and I was very very skeptical at first, but after about a month, I decided to at least listen to it. Now, I'm not going to give you the whole story, because I'm sure you've heard it a hundred times, and I'm well aware of all the rhetoric invovled with all business, including this one, but I couldn't help but be inspired.
  

My fiance and I are going to be teachers. That profession is famous, in this country, for having a very low salary. My future wife always told me about her dream; she wanted to have a nice house in the Ireland countryside. I used to cry myself to sleep feeling horrible because I wouldn't be able to provide that for her on our salary.

This, however, seemed like my big chance. Now, I DID NOT get it into my head that I was going to be a millionaire over night, nor did I expect to become a multi-millionaire, even in 10 years, which they said was certainly possible.

I talked to couples who were teachers, who made it to 7500. They made an extra 35-45k a year, and described how teaching was the perfect job to have for quixtar, because of the free time outside of work.

What I want is a supplimentary income. I figure I'll make about 35k-40k from my teacher salary, plus my wife's 35-40, plus 30k/year from quixtar in about 5 years.

Now, I've been told I can be influential and all that, not by quixtar, but by people who know me. I have access to lots of different people at my work and school and future work. In my first week I got two members.

Here's the question, can I do it? I don't to be a multi-diamond, emerald guy or whatever... I just want a little financial freedom. Maybe be able to give my wife her dream some day. Please, can I?

Dear JT,

I'm sure you can do anything you set your mind to.   I think the bigger question is do you want to help people lose money or make money?   If you rpomote and use the systems you will surelyhlep more people lose a lot more money than any one will ever make.     If your conscience can live with that, go for it.

Scott

What happened, Scott? You couldn't build the business? How about  mentioning the marriages that HAVE been saved? What percentage is 70 or 80 or 100 divorces out of over 1 or 2 million participants worldwide? How do these numbers compare to the general population?
You're a coward.

Hi Dick,

I guess you can't read. Its just a list of marriages Amway/Quixtar could not save. If the business was in the business of saving marriages, how come all these big pins could not take their own advise. I don't have them all listed so it is impossible to calculate a percentage.

Scott

ps. How much profit are you reporting on your taxes due to Quixtar?

You missed the point completely. Amway/Quixtar has nothing to do with saving marriages. Those companies provide products and services. The training organizations provide the means for saving/improving marriages, helping people get off drugs, improve the quality of their lives, etc. Why don't you report that? And, as a couple about to go Emerald, our profits are just fine. Finally, speaking or not being able to read, the name is Dale.

Dale

Hi Dale,

You missed the point completely. I never said the company saves marriages. It is their lines of sponsorship or the "biz".

Amway/Quixtar folks go out and say how the business saves marriages.

Why don't you report that? I do, if people write me feedback. If they don't write it I don't have anything to post.

Ae you sure your name is not Dick?

Scott

So, why do you have to post anything at all? If you have had anything whatsoever to do with the support systems, you have heard time and again about marriages that have been saved/improved. You've heard at events, on tapes/cd's, at special meetings that achiever's can qualify for, how lives have been improved. Why don't you reprt that? Why do you have to appeal to only the lower parts of human nature?

Crawl back under your rock.

Dale

Hi Dale,

If people wrote me about it I'd post it.  Since people don't write about it, I can't post it.

Scott

SCOTT LARSEN,

i am amazed how until right now you still don't get it... don't you...?

i hope of instead of destroying the dreams of other people... i challenge you to post how much money you make yourself, your own lifestyle and your own financial freedom... and i challenge you to post it on top of your website... and further challenge you to show the details of your own cost as detailed as you are, of how you make money yourself... otherwise i challenge you to shut up... i hope that's fair as you always say it... if you don't do this, most of us will feel you are a big-time looser and always will be... lead your big mouth by example... show the way... show us what you've walked through not what you'ved talked through...

JESSIE LOZADA

Jessie,

I am amazed how until right now you still don't get it....don't you..?

I hope instead of encouraging people to lose money in Quixtar that you help them to use their time wisely.  Chasing a unreal dream with Quixtar only to make your upline rich on your downline's purchases of tools is disgusting.

As I don't try to sell you anything, in comparison to the Quixtar cult, I don't need to post my financial information.  I'll compare mine with yours any day.  Anyone who wants to compare with me must also show me theirs.

Most of us feel you Quixtar people are big time losers wasting your time, and you will always be.

Show me you are making money in Quixtar.  Sow us you've walked the walk and just not talked the talk.

Scott 

you don't try to sell us anything?... that is B.S.! when you post something on the internet, concepts or whatever, you are selling... especially when you're so enthusiastic about it... when other people are enthusiastically building up, you are enthusiastically destroying others... you sound like you're the complete authority on this subject --- sounds like you're a god, and a cult leader, rallying people to destroying values... hey larsen, you're just on a different rally on the other side of the fence... and what do you call people who rally enthusiastically? --- a cult leader... and that's what you are... and that is what you sell... and that makes you a big time looser... 

i am also not selling you anything --- but all i can say is i am retired from my job, i am free... not that my job was bad... it's just that i got the options that i want... it's all about options larsen... and i don't owe you anything as well, but i can assure you i'm much better now than where i used to be... what pisses me with your posts is that you vehemently destroy things that are of value and you don't even show concrete solutions as alternative... all you got is a big mouth, a destructive big mouth... in our family, we have a saying "SHUT UP IF YOU DON'T HAVE BETTER SOLUTIONS TO OFFER" .... i can assure you, you won't be able to show me programs or projects that would help me at least become where i am today than i was years ago...  i dare you!!!! show me or shut up!!!! that's your challenge big mouth!!!

next time you reply... i'd challenge you to tell me what you want and i'll show you how to get there as long as you're willing to learn and work... am i selling you anytthing?... B.S... i don't have to sell you anything... we're in helping other people make lives better... (that is, if you want a better life... again, that's an option)... does everybody succeed? --- B.S. who succeeds in everything... however it doesn't mean you can't succeed --- this is the more important statement... with a proper education and work ethic and applied principles you will succeeed... it's all about options... you don't even have to do anything... it's also an option... and you don't even have to eat... that's also an option... you can continue to be a big mouth looser, and that's also an option... all i can say is you'll remain a looser until you show us what you got... otherwise i'm alot better with people who dare, who got the balls to show the way...

get it??? big mouth???

So am I trying to sell you cassette tapes?  Book?  Motivational seminars?  Soap? Vitamins?  What am I selling.  I'm giving you free information.  larsen, who is trying to sell you anything? everything in amway is about options... you don't have to buy anything... you don't even have to do anything... you don't even have to buy those products... or buy those tapes... you know what, all you need to do is sit, because that is also an option, but hey why should you expect your business to grow... when you make an option to do nothing or do things wrongly, i think it's just fair that you make nothing... and that's okay, as long as those people who made that option, like you do, don't whine like you encourage them to do... and that's a lousy loser attitude that you are... and the reason that you rally them around because you want those kind of people to share your misery... and you love their company... and hey that is also an option... you're sharing free information of people like you about their miseries in life of why they failed, instead of sharing free information of how people succeed... and of course that is also an option...

Are you saying the truth is bad? the truth is not bad, what makes your posts bad is when you have a big mouth to destroy something that is of value, and you don't even have the guts to show something better... at the end of the day you'll end up as a big mouth loser that you are... because you just talk and talk... and not walk the walk... you haven't even responded to my challenges to you... you can duck all you want, but it doesn't change the fact that you are just a big mouth loser who can't show something of value to make other people's lives better... here's the truth: you don't have better options to say, all you do is love people's misery and keep wondering why people don't succeed....

Oh, loser.  That is original.  Here is what Rich DeVos has to say about Amway distributors calling others "losers".  if you listen to that recorded message that you bought yourself, (or maybe you duped somebody to give to you for free) the context, if you listen carefully, is to be compassionate towards people who do nothing in the business... and that is perfectly alright... what the loser that you are that i am talking about is your attitude of besides not doing anything, you destroy things that other people work hard to build up... the loser that you are is the attitude that you are disrespectful of the honest efforts of people who has the guts to lead the way and show people, hard it may be, how to succeed in life... compared to you who do nothing and can show nothing, and all that you are is a destructive big mouth... that what makes you a big time loser as compared to the kind of loser that Rich de Vos was talking about...

You forgot to see that anything, even nothing it better than Amway.  That is an option Jessie.   Why sign up for something where the majority of people lose money?  A better option is not to lose money, right? yes larsen, even nothing is an option.... and that is fair... what is stupid is when you do nothing and do things wrong, then blame other people except yourself, that you failed... doing nothing is an all fair option, no problem... the big problem is when you expect to make money when at the same time you do nothing and do things wrong... why do majority of people lose money? --- hey, ask yourself, you're one of them.... of course if all you do is shoot people down, and don't do the right thing, hey what do you expect... and guess what, you have big cult organization right there, you being their leader,  who thinks exactly as you think and keep asking people why you don't make money... stupid question... a better option is not to lose money, right? a much better option is to make money, right? do it right and you'll make money, right? that is also an option...

Yes, you can show me what I want by scaming people and screwing them out of their money on your cult tapes and seminars.  Yes, that is the way to help people....into the poor house. scamming people? larsen what a big screw that you are is your lousy misirable attitude of not being able to dream big and not having the guts to do something about it... while you make an option to do nothing, you're so insecure to watch other people pass you by... you can't believe that people can make more money than you do, inspite of your brilliant mind that you have --- the meticulous person that you are... you're so insecure people are becoming free, at least financially free... hey, loosen up with the tape issue, or the books or the seminars.... you don't do anything anyway, so why fret..? as i've said nobody is forcing you to do anything... so do nothing... that is your option... but right now you actually ain't doing nothing, because you have a big mouth that leads people to bigger destruction... but hey the more people you infect with your loser mentality the more people you keep from their misery as you want them to be... because if they get out of their misery, you'll miss them dearly, you'll miss their company, you'll miss some former loser members that you are... here's what i see you helping other people --- by sharing them your miseries and loving their company...

How about adding up the net profit of everyone in your downline?  I bet it is a nice net loss. --- hey larsen i have one big puzzle for you, if you get the joke: why not compute with your analytical mind the net loss of the whole business world... starting from people who started school/educaton and went out of school/education and went their destructive ways, to people who stayed and built businesses big or small... compute their cost and profit ratio... do your thing, this is the thing you love most anyway... be my guest... and i challenge you not to miss anything... do it --- i think you can...  with your brilliant mind, you're doing it right now anyway... whatever answer you get is for your own consumption and for your cultic organization of like minded people... just please give it to us when you're done... and when you get the right answer, in spite of that fact, please don't forget that it does't mean people can't succeed in life... if you watch tons of people lose --- you'll be like them, you're a loser... if you watch and do people win in life --- you're right, you'll be like them too... here's what i know also: if they quit listening to losers like you and keep doing what is right for themselves by watching and doing what successful people do, then i believe they'll also succeed... again options larsen, options....instead of asking that question: i'd rather ask you to ask yourself, what kind of freedom do these suceessful people have, do i want them, what does it take for me to get there if i want it... and if you don't want to ask yourself these questions, hey do nothing!!! nobody forces you to do anything... options larsen, options....

I hope you enjoy screwing people in Amway/Quixtar.  I guess that makes you feel like a big person. it's you who screw people big time by your lousy, loser mentality and attitude... and you're trying to hide it with your meticulous brilliant mind... and that is the big joke on you that you don't see... that is what you don't get... i hope you enjoy sharing you miseries with other people --- that what would make you feel loved.... big mouth, tiny head...

Scott     Jessie

Hi Jessie,

I have to laugh.  Blah, blah, blah.  You have listened to a lot ot tapes, I can tell.  You are really caught up in your cult.

So how many people have you helped to report a profit on their taxes with Quixtar?  I bet you have helped people lose money on average.  You are a great teacher!

Scott

hey Scotty,

that's exactly what i am talking about predictabilty.... losers like you are very predictable... no balls no guts... all mouth... no track record... hopefully you screen very well what you post on your website... predictably, i wont see my emails there... for sure ---

LOSER!!! Jessie

Jessy, Your e-mails are quite funny. I will probably post them. Probably post them? post them funny guy... all i know is until now you're just a big mouth anyway, and you don't have the guts to show people in your site who you really are...

You never showed your track record and you are trying to sell Amway/Quixtar. So your the pot calling the kettle black. larsen, whose selling you amway?... what i'm showing you is you are just a big month loser who doesn't know anything about business or at least purport to know something about business... no track record? larsen, we're going to europe next year because of the business, i can save you a ticket if you want... would you like to come? or shall i send you a post card? your choice... it's your option... now tell me what you got? as i've said you're always running away from the real issue, shall we state again what's the real issue..? now tell us what you've got so we'll see whose funny?

Anyway only people like you think your argument is important. Your prospects reading my site don't care. I'll compare bank balances with you any day. really, let's do it then?... i bet you don't even have $50,000 in your bank account... would you like to sign some contracts with me? i dare you larsen... it's your turn... so what have you got? Anway, I'm still happy to be pissing you off. It makes my day. piss me off? larsen your being a loser should piss youself off... because the big joke is on you and you don't see it... or you're trying not to see it... the biggest joke on you is you can't even make a "lousy" business like amway work for you... that's the biggest joke... ho ho ho ho ho... LOSER...

Scott Jessie

Hi Jessy,

I'll take your bet. How much you want to bet that I have more than $50,000? I'll bet you $1,000. We can put the money with a neutral person and then if I can show you I have more than $50,000, the neutral person pays me the $2,000 in escrow. Ok?

Scott

ho ho ho Scotty,

i love the fact that you are now coming out from your miserable rabbit holes... but hey, larsen, is that all you got for trying to shoot down a multi-billion dollar company like amway... a stinky $1000 bet and $50000 in bank which we don't even know if you really have...? hey, why don't we make a nicer bet: for the kind of big mouth that you have, i bet you $10000 you don't have $10million in the bank as of this time stamp, this date... let's see if your tiny brain can handle this joke on you... when you take this bet, go ahead draft the escrow contract, have it notarised, and send it to me... make my day funny guy... Jessie p.s. larsen, before you think hard about this bet, why don't you stop first because i can now smell you stink... i got some soap or roll-on for you if you want... very effective, stick in your armpit 48 hrs... ho ho ho ho... LOSER...

Jessy,

Take the $1,000 bet or not? I'm sure you don't have $10 million either.

Scott

hey Scotty,

and what do you think i can do with your lousy $1000 bet? shall i tremble with your $1000 bet? your $1000 can't even send me to Sydney, Australia... or a trip to Europe... will your $50000 prove me you're not a LOSER just in case you really have it... you're such a pathetic loser... you still don't get the joke on you, don't you? me grabbing a lousy $1000 bet for what?

big mouths like you should be making millions of dollars, for all those headaches and analysis that you do... are you just good in analysis or you're just a plain loser?

larsen, if you want my respect, you got to show us what you've got ---- what is your track record? what type of investments have you gotten into, and what are the results? show us a better alternative, and stop shooting people down... shooting people down is a clear attribute of a loser like you... you're trying to shoot a multibillion dollar company, you don't even have millions in your pocket... worse yet, you don't have better values to offer... pathetic... i guess that is something you need to analyse and think hard about... that's where you're good at anyway...

Jessie

p.s. larsen, you don't have to reply to my emails right away... stop geeking on your computer... you seems not taking any sleep anymore... relax... take a break... or should i say take a bath... you stink already... if you need some soap i'll send you some for free, like your website says: "free information"... free is good, right?... maybe you were using LOC to take a bath before when you used to do amway, no wonder you did not make amway work for you...

Scott -

I don't know why this has piqued my interest again, but it has.  I had emailed you maybe 1 yr ago, but I've just gotten back into reading your site.  I don't know why except because I just want to see I wasn't alone in getting involved with this thing.

I have to say, I read the Quixtar Qrush blog and I laughed when I saw the guy come out with thinking you're gay or hiring someone to hit on you to see if you are gay.  I'm so glad that I did not stay in and did not get totally sucked in.  Regardless of the nice ppl I met and a couple of whom I'm still in touch with today, I'm much better off making my close to 6 figure income (before the decimal point).  That guy (or collection of freaks) is unbelievable.

By the way....I went and looked up Mitzi Britt on google and while I don't know if this is actually her, I think it might be.  She may be a body builder now?

http://www.photoreflect.com/scripts/prsm.dll?eventorder?photo=02HK001F010018&start=0&album=0&adjust=-1

Interesting story (I think):

I was in the Ray Melillo group....above him was Ed and Wanda Maffia, Joe Petrillo, Dan and Pam Martin and eventually we found our way into Angelo Nardone.  People would find it very funny to say "Ray's still sleeping." It's pretty funny stuff.  Last I heard, he sold his house - wherever it was and is buying something smaller (now there's a shock).  One thing I never liked was all the "fast-talking" I felt was being said.  Let's keep in mind that Ray's still sleeping because he was up with that night owl crap until 4am and didn't get home until 5 am. That's why he was still sleeping.  I wonder if Ray is still a true qualified EDC or if he lost his legs.  I know that one leg - Pat D'Ambrosio has a diamond - Ed Vicenanza who I looked up a while ago

Also, I think I read in there that you live in Germany?  Do you still get prospected?  I actually was in the Virginia DMV talking with some guy who told me that he was in eCommerce and said Quixtar (I didn't know amway was quixtar....but the key words he used were "residual income".  I did not want to continue the conversation with him and fortunately, was called up to the front desk to take care of my business.  I think that was last summer.....man, time is flying.

Anyway....I'm enjoying the site still and will probably stop going to it soonand then return in a few months.

All the best.

Your website seems a little out of date even if some of the last comments were posted in July. Do you even know how Quixtar came to be and how they
differ than the OLD Amway model? Do you know why Amway isn't in North American now? Ever heard of the phrase "duplicatable"? I am in Canada and
know a few people affiliated with Quixtar. I have seen the plan, heard the catch phrases, been to a couple seminars, and am therefore not ignorant nor
biased to or for your views or theirs. That being said, I believe you're behind the times. Quixtar IBO's DO NOT handle their downlines' products for
them. This does away with the Amway way of having your upline hold your rebate checks for you and your products. ALL IOB's handle their own
products, as well as clients and members. Any rebate checks come directly do your door, not your uplines. True, you cannot make it big by just buying
your own goods. And yes, I find that the prices for their goods and services are about a 1/3 cheaper, 1/3 the same, and 1/3 more expensive. However, even
if you only shop for yourself, the rebate checks from Quixtar based on your volume and PV's are more than anything you get from Costco or Save-on Gas.
This is a system that you get out of it as much as you are willing to put into it. There's a post about "the cost of getting to platinum" that describes the personal cost that guy had financially and personally to get to Platinum, and although his story is most likely accurate, it doesn't have to be like that at all. There is a reason for the 2-5 year retirement plan, and there is a reason for all those books and tapes. If someone would take their head out of the dark hole, you would see that all these books and tapes are basically self improving books that are meant for you to see outside of the box and see a different reality. This is just another income
opportunity, plain and simple. Yes, you can be retired with this business in 6 months if you want to, and I mean Diamond level. I know a guy close to
where I live that did it. Mind you he's single and had the time to do it, so you can imagine the time he invested in to this business. He also knows the
difference between a bucket and a pipeline. That's why he invested his time into this instead of any other classic business model. Think about it. What
are we taught in North America? Go to school, graduate, get a degree in something, spends lotsa money in it, then either work for yourself or
someone else for the next 45-50 years, hopefully save up something for retirement, then retire. And the whole point of it? To support the system.
Here's a reality check - save up $840,000. before you retire. Then, find someone that'll give you 6% interest on that amount. That will net you
$50,000 a year income. Do you know of any retirees that have achieved that, or will by the time they retire? This business has been around for over 20
years. That's Quixtar. The system is so duplicatable that literally anyone can make 50K a year and retire in 2-5 years. IF you plug yourself into the
system, talk to your upline, familiarize yourself with the products, and do it. Yes, you do hafta do this on top of everything else, and it is an
investment. But I would rather work for 5 years than 50 to atchieve the same results. And in the meantime you develop relationships along the way, and
you grow and develop as a person because of the books-CD's and seminars. Your website looks like it was written and supported by people who have
either been burned by the system, or haven't gotten the results they wanted.  Grow up. You get out what you put in. This isn't something that will destroy
our fabric of life that we know of today. It is just another avenue available to us and it challenges the classic system that we are all taught
to support. There, I said it. I am not the most sophisticated writer around, and this was written on-the-fly. I said what I needed to say. If I have
offended you in any way, get over yourself. Life is too short to get stuck up on arguing. Believe what you want and move on. There's nothing Quixtar or
Amway offers or does that people need to be protected from. Just made aware of. There, I'm done. Have a nice life.

Nate.

Hi Nate,

Don't worry you can still find the old Amway method in many lines of sponsorship.   Try out "World wide dream builders" for one.  They still do it the old fashioned way.  It is called "standard fulfillment".  It seems I know more about it than you.  You seem to be a bit behind the times here.

Yes, Quixtar replaced Amway in North America.  Here is the corporate name change attached.

Have you done your own price study?  I bet not.  You are just repeating`what you have been told.    If you shop at Costco it doesn't matter if
you don't get a check back.   You don't pay as much either.     Would you rather pay 40% to much to get 3% back?

You Amway people are always looking for some get rich quick scheme where you don't have to work.   Pull your head out of the sand.  There is no
free lunch.

Nobody retires in quixtar or Amway.  They just get a different job. People end up working their Amway business harder than they worked their job even when they are "retired".  Check out all the "retired" people and their schedules.

Believe what you want.  They have told you enough lies so go believe them.

Write me when you "retire".

Scott

Morning. I thank you for writing back to me since it gave me another side to the story. I could use your input on a couple of things though. I agree that you can find the Amway method among other avenues. Yes, you can for the MOST part buy stuff from Costco at a lesser cost instead of Quixtar, but that's the difference from delayed and instant gratification. By changing where you spend, you are supporting the pipeline that's supporting you. I'm sure you have heard of the analogy of where do you think the owner of Wal-Mart buys his stuff from? Not canadian tire, but from his own store because he is supporting his own store. Stuff from Quixtar aren't that outrageous anyway. It's all in bulk too. Are you even familiar with their product line? you may have heard of the LOC cleaners? Kids can't drink Mr. Clean without being hurt, but they can drink LOC cleaners without being hurt. And it does a better job too. I use the stuff by the way, so I know. I know that you know this isn't a get rich quick scheme. You think 2-5 years is quick? And yes, it is another job. So what makes it different? Are you at all familiar with the bonus checks that come along the way? I have talked to over a dozen people that have retired from this business, and for the most part they have quit their other jobs. Either that, or they continue to do them because they LIKE their job. You don't have to continue working the Quixtar business when you build it to where you want, but once you get there, as is true with the dozen retirees, they are having so much fun that they don't want to quit. They don't get obsessed either. And their families don't suffer along the way. Their days are open to them. Their schedules consist of spending time with their kids, being together, helping others, going on vacations, doing whatever they want but with their families. Some of them also just use the business to finance whatever else they want to do. I'm sorry, but it seems that you haven't really talked to anyone retired. I am curious though. Why all this negative attention toward this kinda business model? What's the truth, really? You go on and on about it like a little boy who's been done an injustice, and continues to whine about it, not letting up as opposed to stating their opinion and leaving it at that. Do you see it as the enemy to corporate America, or what? I read somewhere that you were involved for what, 3 months? How was that for you? Why do you hate it so? I just want to know where you are coming from, is all. If you could please share that with me, I'd appreciate it. I am coming from an angle that sees this as another avenue to take instead of the 9-5 Mon to Fri. Anyway, thanks for the reply. I haven't spoken to anyone before who hates this idea. So far, it's just people who would rather do something else. And for the most part, it's because it scares them to talk to show the plan to people. So ya, please write back. TTYL.

Nate.

Hello Scott Larsen, 

As part of my due diligence - I am curious about your credentials, experience, and background.
I looked around the website but did not see your credentials or even any personal info about you. Not even a physical mailing address or phone #.

 Perhaps I just missed them, it is a pretty big website. When someone offers me an opinion I have discovered from hard experience that it is important to  know their background in order to understand their motivation and perspective.

Who are you?  What are your business & educational credentials?  What do you do for a living?  What personal experiences have you had w/ amway and quixtar?  I notice you are taking donations, how much money did you take in during the last 6 months from your website? What are your goals for your website?   Where do you see yourself 10 years from now, personally & professionally? What comments would you offer on utilizing the financial advise of people like Warren Buffet, H. Ross Perot, Robert Kiyosaki, Ted Turner,  David Spencer. What is your personal net worth?  Thank you for taking the time out of your busy schedule to reply.

Mike

Hello Scott,

Your name sounds familiar. What is your relationship, if any, with Amway, Quixtar or Team in Focus?

Are you still updating the site, http://www.amquix.info/team_in_focus.html ? The last update, although two years after the formation of the new company, was July 2004.

I came across your site by doing a search on some names that were formerly part of the Joye organization. I was an IBO in the Zecher line of sponsorship, and since today was trash day in my neighborhood, I finally dumped about $10,000 in tools (BSM's) that became instantly useless with the termination of our diamond organization in 2002.  I don't know what I planned to do with them over the last 3 years, but I couldn't even give them away. I did keep the generic self help tapes that were authored by hired speakers at some conventions and I did keep all of the books except the ones that were directly related to any of the businesses. My favorites are by Robert Kiyosaki, and I have been following his financial advice concerning real estate and doing well in contrast to TIF.

I believed these guys from 1998 until 2002 at the Nashville convention, where I had the most people ever in my group attend as well as some new prospects who actually bought tickets. When it was all over, everyone was confused until the Quixtar announcement a few days later.

I bailed and advised my people to do the same, which in hindsight was a good thing. However, the credibility I lost with friends, family and associates and the money I spent in good faith will never be recovered.

Your exposure of the smoke and mirrors success stories from TIF are all true. All of the people mentioned supposedly made their money before TIF. I just couldn't believe they could get away with writing those testamonials leading people to believe they made their money with TIF. I'm not even sure they made it with Amway or Quixtar!

Someone told me that if I decided to continue with Quixtar that I should ask the corporation who my "QUALIFYING" upline diamond is? I suppose that meant the ones we were following were no longer qualifying... a question I never asked before.

Thanks for letting me ramble and vent. I appreciate the time, effort and information you have provided. I haven't read ALL of it yet, but I will.

Kirk

Hey Scott, God Bless you and your site!  You are awesome.  We were in the hell of the business from 87 to 2003, I can't believe the crap we put up with but now I know it was brainwashing.   I am angry at myself for allowing it, now my poor husband had to go back to work as an ironworker, it is a crime what they do to families, something legally really should be done about this situation, so thanks for exposing the demons to the light.  What they did to Bruce Anderson is unbelievable, but I believe it, because the same exact upline put us through the ringer on a daily basis.  We only had Ruby volume to lose, not like Diamond volume, like Bruce lost.  These people cannot be christians, there is no way.  I just think that somewhere down the road it will all come tumbling down and they, too will have to go back to a "JOB".  Anyhow, thanks for all that you do, I know you are saving families with your site, so pat yourself on the back, we love you.  If you are ever in the Reno, NV area, please email us and we can hook up for a coffee.

Sincerely,

Laurie

Scott,

I have been hesitating to write but I hope and pray that some of these "brainwashed" folks will listen. just LISTEN!!! with an open mind.I was a distributor in Amway for 16 years. when I signed up, I was so insecure that I was looking for anyone to show that they cared. and I fell for the lure of riches. 16 years later I walked away. and if I had put the money into investments that I "invested" in functions, I would be retired by now.

too many reasons to list why I walked away. but I worked my butt off for 16 years and had nothing to show for it. my wife and I had to rebuild our business every year. and I was made to feel like such a loser. I also, voluntarily, became involved with running the functions (at no charge, I might add). this was by no means a totally negative experience. I met many big pins who were genuine and wanting to help. and when my sponsor dropped dead when running with his daughter I went into depression so deep that I was ready to end it all. funny thing, all the folks who were my "friends" disappeared except a few. and after being away from the
brainwashing for about six months I had a chance to really think about what went on.

I was a "fake" direct distributor. and I knew that money was made on books,tapes and seminars and rallies. and I knew that Diamonds took home the "gate" at rallies. that didn't really bother me (guess my greed got in the way). but when it finally sunk in that the Diamonds split the gate at major functions (5000 people and up) I started becoming VERY disillusioned. plus I finally realized that my booking hotel rooms through the Britt organization just got "complimentary" rooms
for the Diamonds (who didn't need their rooms paid for). and at that point I just said "forget it". my wife was so afraid to walk away. she wondered what would happen to our "friends". well, they forgot who we were. I told her that if they were really our friends, they would be our friends even if we walked away. yeah, right.

am I bitter. a little. but it learned a lot. I just don't want anyone else learning the way that I did.

Steve Woodford

Scott,

My name is Michael SC. Was in Florence-Trainor Line of sponsorship so I'm sure we were together at a few "seminars."

Do you have any info on Tom Trainor, George Lesane?.  I know Chad is doing the "book" deal.

True story about Jamie Nettles. I work in sales in the RV industry and ran into several "dream chasers" over the years.

Anyway, in 2002 Jamie Nettles walked on the lot looking for a cheap used Motorhome. I pretended not to know him and asked about his situation. He said he
just got "killed" in a divorce and it was all he could do to hang on. Showed him a few things and got his number followed up with him but he never called me
back.

Thought you might enjoy hearing that story.

See ya,
Michae

PS I Know some folks that were in Connely's group. I went to Newberry College. He sponsored several people in that area.

PSS Awesome site!!!!!!!! Congrats you have worked hard!!!!!

Hello;

I think your analysis is misguided for the following reasons:

1.  In conventional business formation, statistics say that 90% of new businesses fail in the first 5 years, and 90% of the remainder fail in the next 5 years.  Starting with 100 new businesses, ten will be left after 5 years, and only one left standing after the completion of ten years. 

Your analysis is skewed because your assumption implies that distributors get paid for zero performance; that they should  make a minimum wage or some such thing.  That is not the case at all in establishing a new business of any kind.  There is no guaranteed wage, income, etc.

However, Quixtar does guarantee that if you retail/wholesale on your own and or through an organization, you will be paid a commission /bonus.  That is an idisputable fact.

2.  Your disparaging and I would say, discouraging slant that you express, is an incorrect analysis, becauseit it takes the same effort to start any distribution business, as it does to start a successful Quixtar distributorship.  Some people will never attempt to start a Quixtar distributorship because of your web site, and the incorrect and misinformed information found there.

3.  There is no free lunch; there is no free ride to success.  Your web site appears to indicate that there is something out there that is better than starting a business and making it happen.

4.  There are thousands of inidividuals who have built a distributorship business and they are making some money at it.  Some are making a lot; some are making next to nothing; just the same as the case out there in the world.

5.  People that do start an enterprise should not be criticized by misinformed individuals like yourself since they would be making a mistake by not proceeding.  There is no success without failure; maybe failure upon failure.  Edison worked years to develop a light bulb.  Everyone called him nots too.  They called Henry Ford nuts too!  How many cars have you built in your lfe?  Or is it your job to criticize those who are pursuiing a dream?  Is this your special appoinrmen?

I think you should be ashamed of yourself for ridiculing a system or ridiculing people that are willing to work to develop a sustaining income and change the world a little but.

I think you should erase your web site.  It is a disgrace to the human cause.

J. Lorne

Hello J Lorne Kangas,

I think your analysis is misguided for the following reasons:

1.  Your information on new business failures is incorrect.  You best read up on it.

http://www.startupjournal.com/columnists/startupqa/20031222-qa.html

http://app1.sba.gov/faqs/faqindex.cfm?areaID=2    An Advocacy study of employer business starts from 1989 and 1992 finds that 66.0 percent of businesses remained open at least 2 years, 49.6 percent at least 4 years, and 39.5 percent at least 6 years.
http://www.sba.gov/advo/stats/bh_sbe03.pdf    Redefining Business Success -   the difference between failure and closure - Brian Headd SBA

You are entitled to your opinion and so am I.

2.  You never pointed out specifically what information is false.

3.  You are right there!  I never said there was something else out there to look for.  You implied that yourself.

4.  Yes but there are tens of thousands losing money too.

5.  What if the enterprise they are starting is illegal?  Yes, God called on me to criticize the Amway business.  I am doing his calling.

I think you should stop writing to web sites like mine.  Your writing is a disgrace to the human cause!

Scott

ps.  How much profit did you/will you be reporting on your taxes from your AmQuix business?

Reply to your reply:

Critics of business ventures do not succeed because the results of such criticism do not pay well.

People who do not work, cannot get any business started or sustained.  That is the biggest challenge facing every entrepreneur: work, focus, work, focus....

Criticizing others will not help you to win.

I am sure that your intentions are noble, but it is impossible for me to believe that God told you to do put downs on a business that creates more than $4 billion a year and which has been in existence for over 40 years.  Nevertheless, God loves you and cares about your life.

I know that people feel upset when they face constant rejection in the world of business, but rejection is the wall of opposition that 95% or so, of the population, put up because they do not believe they can make it.  It is tough to make it, because we do not come prepared with the skills and tools to build an kind of business.  We have to develop the skills as we go; work with a mentor; set goals; evaluate; adjust; take action;  make phone calls; set appointments; show the business and repeat the cycle....We were not born with the skills to build any business; these strengths have to be developed...and they can but it takes effort and committment and the ability to keep going in FAITH, for FAITH IS THE SUBSTANCE OF THINGS HOPED FOR AND THE EVIDENCE OF THINGS NOT SEEN.

There are thousands, maybe several millions of businesses in the world that are distributorships similar in format, not necessarily just network oriented, and which require a similar amount of work, sweat, tears, time, and investment, enduring rejection and disappointment, due to the number of prospects one has to conduct appointments with, in order to have enough business happening to have a decent cash flow.  If you show the business to 500 prospects, you will likely be an Emerald.  But if yoiu quit before it is done, you will be frustrated.  That is everyone's dream:  an independent cash flow... that does not require a lifelong employment mandate to make a living.

I believe that Quixtar is the one of the most beneficial distributor organizations to associate with.  Every business venture has warts and wrinkles, and one must choose who they will run with.  Most people in the world will not be able to start a successful conventional business in their career lifetime;  Quixtar gives them a chance, if they want to work and do not quit.  Just start making appointments; attend all the functions....  It is really not different than building any other distributorship business.

Respectfully wishing you well in your business development quest,

J. Lorne

if you did not know, quixtar is literally the child company of amway.  You are mixing the two. Old folks consider amway a scheme, which it is  not so profitable. Amway only offered exclusives and would not allow  online distribution. Quixtar is backed by the better business bureau and the federal trade commission, check forrester facts out of cambridge, ma. I know millionaires through this business, and i had just returned from a conference and i had seen success from people first hand, teaching things that they had already done. and if you do not produce a proper business teams or promote correctly, you are not going to do as well. On average it takes a new business 5 years to get to zero$. with this we got out of zero in one month. I had read much of your website just out of curiosity, and i find it kind of pathetic that because you obviously failed in the business, you are out to sabotage Quixtar. Its alright. P.S. Did you notice that with all the forbes quotes, they
mention only AMWAY???? Write me back with your rebuddle please, i really would like to hear what you have to say

Have a lovely day

Cheikh Dieng

Hello i was recently recruited into this get rich quick money making scheme and did my self a favor and googled quixtar. the idea seems to be so easy. i may have dug myself a little hole already by sounding extremely interested in getting started. the first question i have for you deals with the membership dues. they were asking for $280 dollars in which you receive  your business licence, some products, and a ticket to one of their cult confrences. my question to you is that once i have a memebership to this business am i required to make purchases through quixtar? secondly, id like to know more info about how it all works out come tax season if you could explain. i was extremmely interested in getting started into this get rich money making scheme until i googled the company. they provided me with 3 cd's in which i was reluctant to pop in because i had the impression many of those people sounded very slick and very much brainwashed into the same mentality. it is as close to cult as i have ever come. the way i read it is that quixtar is essentially a spinoff from Amway. in which the founders of quixtar were once involved with amwayand got out because of a disagreement??? i really dont know. so basically to close this up after all is said and done Quixtar is NOT ILLEGAL  people are making money off this idea... i know this is kinda all over the place but i would definetly appreciate any input you may have or anyother advise you could offer thank you

Scott,

I stumbled upon your website while doing a search on my upline Triple Diamonds (soon to be Crowns). I have to say that this is one of the most pathetic works I have ever seen. You obviously have devoted great time and energy to slander many great people. You, like many people in our society spend so much time and energy in useless and unproductive areas, that you have no time to contribute to society.

Frankly, I am thrilled that you had no success with Quixtar (or Amway). We, as a nation, do not need large sums of money on the wrong hands. The people
that I work with in WWDB donate more money to charitable organizations in one year than you have probably earned in the last ten. These are the
people that I want earning a lot of money, because money in the hands of good people will do good things.

I’m sure you never put nearly as much effort into building a business as you have put into building your little cry-baby website. If you had, you wouldn’t have to beg for donations so you can continue to be an unproductive sloth, putting down what you have no capacity to understand.

Enjoy your life of poverty. Meanwhile, I’m going Diamond!

Hi Dana,

Give me a date when you will be diamond. I'll be you $1,000 that you don't make it.
Do you take my bet?

Scott

ps.  How much profit are you reporting on your taxes?

What I report on my taxes is none of your business. Giving you an exact date of when I will go Diamond would be foolish. I cannot predict that. What I do know is if the growth on my business continues as it has, there is no reason not to go Diamond. My wife and I earn enough in our business that she no longer has to work for anyone else. I call that earning money.

I take some profits from our business and choose to reinvest that back into our business. Some of that is in the form of educating myself. In my Accounting career, I have had to continue to educate myself. Through our system I have learned not only how to become a more effective leader, but also how to improve my relationships. I have since become a better husband to my wife, a better father to my children, a better employee for my employer (while I still need a job) and a better friend to my friends and other family members.

I choose to uplift people instead of bashing them for what they do. As long as someone is pursuing endeavors that are honest, legal, and ethical, I will not judge what they do. Quixtar is the benchmark used by the Federal Trade Commission. But I guess your standards are different from theirs? World Wide Dream Builders is a group of some of the most honest and ethical men and women that I have ever had the pleasure to work with.

If you ever kept an open mind and really took in what it is that we do, you would be embarrassed by your own website. You, like many people around the
world, make fun of that which is different or that you do not comprehend. You get some exaggerated stories second hand though disgruntled people, and
you pass them on as fact. The more these stories are repeated, the more people who can't achieve want to believe them.

Let me ask you some questions. If you are so knowledgeable about business, what do you do to earn income – other than trying to get donations for your website of misinformation? Do you pay cash for everything, or are you running up the balances on your credit cards, just like 98% of Americans? What is your retirement plan? Social Security? 401K? Stock options? Or is it work until you die? Do you plan on leaving an estate to future generations, or do you plan on spending your last dime before you die?

Don’t be such a pessimist in life. Learn to make a life and not just make a living. Learn to get joy out of helping others attain joy, instead of finding your joy in the misery of others. You’ll find that life can be much more enjoyable that way.

Dana Lipken

Hi Scott,

I live in the San Jose Ca. area and I have a friend who is hooked into Quixtar for about 6 years.

He's a very good guy that's hoping to be like all those "Diamonds" driving nice cars and becoming financially free. I am so sick of him praising this guy named, Samir Attalah, based from Seattle,he listens to this guy when he's here speaking at a hotel, Doubletree,pays I don't know how much to supposedly help pay for the room. Samir claims that he is so rich and he's doing these plans and meetings to help people become like him. It makes him feel good to help people. Yes, my friend has bought all the tapes and book and go to these conventions in Oregon, Las Vegas and etc. Do you have any more info on Mr. Attalah other than he became a Diamond back in 1998? I looked him up on Google, didn't really find a lot of info. on his assets and family background. Their meetings would also run from 8pm til 1am, why is that? My friend believes everything that Mr Attalah says about his material assetts, etc. It's so annoying, I know he was brainwashed but he can't see it. Thank you so much for reading this.

I just came from an introductory meeting and was interested, but concerned.  After reading the material on your website I am no longer interested...  Now how do I tell my IBO friend no thanks.  I will  though. Thank-you.

Hey Scott,
First, i really appreciate you going through the trouble to organize a site to help people like this, you've made a huge impact through it- i can tell you right now.

I am about to speak with a friends upline in three days... and i get lost trying to sift through all these statistics. If you had a few simple questions you could ask the upline   (if you were in my situation)- what would they be? (questions that the quixtar upline could not out confuse me with- plain as day stuff)..

For instance.. one i like is "why are tapes 6 dollars"? He wont have a good answer for that. It's simple and too the point.

What do you think are the best questions for an ignorant guy like me?

Thanks a bunch.

Blake

Scott

I was very interested in your site.  Perhaps this info may be of interest to you.  I have recently learned that Jerry & Mandy Kent are now Herbalife distributors!!  So much for the on-going income bullshit! 

We listened to them on many ocaision how it was all milk and honey in 'the business'.  What crap.  We caught on eventually but of course it had cost us £k's in the meantime.  Their 'best friends' and their downline (my upline direct) Andy & Deb Rowden are still doing it, though are working jobs too.  I guess they have been 'in' for approaching 20 years.  Suckers. 

Apparantly the de Souza's have formed a break-away org following a punch-up with Dave Butler.  No more info yet though.

Keep up the good work

Regards

John

I hope these are anonymous.

I can tell you first hand because my husband & I were distributors during the Amway heyday 1980-1995. We reached the level of Pearl, but could never quite  get passed it. My husband may still be a distributor, I don't know. We divorced in 1996.

During that time, we were in the Yager downline. Everything you say on your website is true. It's all about the tapes, books and functions. During the heighth, or should I say downfall, was when Doug & Gloria Wead got divorced. One of our downline, Ed & Terri Kinnett also divorced and there were always suspicions as to how Ed Kinnett got to be an Emerald so fast. There was lots of psychological abuse going on at the time. Terri went on to marry a Pearl from another organization, Ron-somebody.

I remember one of my favorite Yager Diamonds at the time was Bob & Kay Goshen. But they were true moral people, and suddenly quit without really saying why. They were in Tulsa, OK. When I asked them, they said they wanted to pursue other business ventures.

Another odd story was a couple we met from another organization. They weren't even Direct Distributors yet when we met them because the wife (can't remember their names) was my childbirth instructor. We had just gone Pearl and they were desparate for help. We did help them for awhile until their upline got wind of it and stepped in to help. They miraculously went Diamond in 2 yrs. When we called to congratulate them, we asked the husband what did they do to grow so fast. He never really answered our questions, but gave the canned response of "meeting people, showing the plan, etc." I never really believed it.

After we divorced, I came to realize a LOT of the emotional downfalls of the business. One reason I divorced my husband was because I no longer loved him or liked him. I came to realize that there is so much emotionalism and hype in Amway, I was getting all my "strokes"  and "warm fuzzies" from the business and not him. Had we not been in Amway, I may have noticed sooner, and worked on our marriage. Also, towards the end, I didn't like the fact that we had to constantly meet new potential "recruits". We met some really nice people, but after showing them the plan, if they turned us down, we had to move on to meet more people. I didn't like that because I wanted to develop friendships with some of the new friends we had met, but, of course, there's no time for that. All your friendships have to be "WITHIN" your organization. I got tired of that. Also, after our divorce NOT ONE SINGLE upline or crossline, or higher pins that we had known for 15 years contacted me to see how I was doing. I never heard from any of them. I heard from one or two of our downline who expressed disappointment and tried to talk me into coming back to my husband, but that was it.

I found this website when googling images of Doug Wead. I still keep in touch with him via email when I see him on the news (recently). Yes, he had an affair with Myriam, who was in a French downline he met under Jean Godzich. There are lots of scandalous stories with him (Godzich) and the French government regarding his Amway business there. When his wife Gloria found out, because Ed & Terri Kinnett told her, she divorced him. He married Myriam and they had 3 children together.

Over those 15 years I went to LOTS of those functions. They do bring in great speakers and famous people all the time. I have to admit though that Doug Wead was the best speaker I have ever heard in my life.

It's sad that there are so many casualties to this business. But I guess that's life and they will all get what they deserve. I knew a lot of the names you listed in the divorces section. It is sad.

Thanks for letting me share. Good luck.

Hi, just saw your trash site on Amway,

Then I can't believe how totally fucking stupid a  person you are to actually waist your time writing MOST of the lies that you wrote to innocent people who
would read it.

People in the business are not made to do anything.  Your boss makes you do things, in amway it's a good suggestion.

You must be a lonely sorry excuse for a fucking lowly human being, that you have to write such a fucked up story. Please go and die lonely and sad because that
is the only life you have ever known and will ever know. What a fucking idiot you have turned out to be. How's it feel to be trashed little fucker?!!!!

ddjb@yahoo.ca

Hi Scott, I stumbled on your website while doing a general search on network 21. I understand you would receive emails all the time, but I felt compelled to write nonetheless. I've been an active Amway IBO, through the network 21 system, for the last three months and have achieved great success. I have indeed subscribed to the continuing education program and am actively attending functions etc.

It seems so incredbile to me that people have such negative views of the business. The fact is, if anyone is willing to put the work in, results will follow. Simple as that. Of course everyone would LOVE a get rich quick scheme, but that isnt possible unless you fluke the lotto. This business takes time, no matter how fast you build it.

If each of these people really asked themselves what they put into the business, could they really answer blood, sweat and tears? Most likely not. Spending money doesnt equal results. No one makes you do anything you dont want to do. Bottom line, work hard using the vehicle and get results. Problem is, the bulk of the people who join dont stick around, or put in the work, to get the results.

Call it whatever you will, cult, whatever. I know this business can change lives. It's already changing mine and not just monetary. After all, as Nancy Dornan would say, it's a business that's about helping people, not duping them, hurting them. Take some time to see how many people this one woman has helped in her life. It's a people business and quite honestly, the people who TRULY love you, TRULY care for you will take the time to understand why you're doing it. And if you understand the business and your loved one, you will take time to understand why they are involved. Simple. No magic potions.

I just encourage anyone to spend some time really researching the business and perhaps the only way to do that is to get your hands dirty and work hard at it to see if results really happen. I can only tell you from my experience that they do. But, like I said, at the end of the day, no one is successful at anything without hard work.

All the best

Shannon

Hi Shannon,

Thanks for the note.  In any cult you will be love bombed until you quit.   Until you leave the cult you will not understand your so called friends are just their to tap your money for the tools system.

There have been lots of people who put the work in it and did not make a dime so I disagree with your opinion.

http://www.amquix.info/amway_psdd.html  Here are a few of their stories.

So do you mind telling me of you great success?  How much profit have you managed to report on your taxes?

If it is a business about helping people, how much net profit have the people you introduced to the business made?  I bet on the whole you have helped people to lose money and not make money.

Regards,

Scott Larsen

Thanks for your reply Scott, it's appreciated.

Well, basically I've achieved Leaders club in my first active six weeks in the business and although it's only the start, it is a result from hard work, little outlay and a great mentoring system. I quite honestly haven't spent much money at all. Our group is very proactive, lending CDs, books and the like. It's definitely a no pressure thing to purchase the education material. Everyone is my business has signed up for two reasons: 1. to simply shop and have quality products delivered to their door while making savings in many cases and 2. to build the business when they are ready, not because someone is pushing them to. No-one is out of pocket, unless they have decided themselves to invest in whatever area takes their interest. Friends, family and strangers have all joined, through no other way but seeing the plan and making their own judgement/decision. I cant make anyone join, nor would I want to.

I look at it like this: working in a job is more like a cult than an organisation is that encourages you to achieve your goals, no one elses. In your job, you are trained to think how the your particular employer wants you to think, turn up every day at a certain time, perform particular tasks and fear the wrath of your boss if you don't. If that's not a cult, I don't know what is. Watch people in their cars as they sit at traffic lights every morning on the way to work, or on the train. They're zombies!

Look I know there are always sides to everyone's story, but all I can tell you is mine - I have a fabulous team who, even though I dropped by the wayside with the business for a year, were still supportive, caring friends and never brought up the business until I was ready to bring it up myself. And that's how it happened. I made the decision and I am reaping the rewards. Sure, my team benefits too, but hey, don't supermarkets benefit when you buy your toilet paper from them? Of course!

All I know is Im onto a great thing. Something I look at objectively and have my own reasons for doing it. There is a smarter way to work and have your money work for you. If it were all those horrible things that so-called former emeralds and diamonds say (how do you really know they were by the way - seems amazing someone would "quit" after achieving that level - after all their business would go on without them or not at that point), surely the police/government would be banging down Amway's door.

People just need to be smarter and think for themselves and not believe magic will happen by clinging on to someone's coat tails and forking out some cash for some cds.

There are crap people in every walk of life and Im sure no company is safe.

I just dont see any harm in a system ie Network 21 that wants to instill positive attitudes and a bright outlook on life, whether people want to join them or not. I have people who ARENT in the business who love listening to the cds to help them with their confidence. There simply cannot be anything wrong with that.

And there has to be something financially to be gained when the world's number one financial educator, Robert Kiyosaki, endorses our type of business. Again, it just goes back to how hard you want to work to get there.

Thanks for taking the time to hear me out Scott. I appreciate everyone has views, it'd be a damn boring world if they didn't! I just wouldnt like to think someone's future could be changed for the better but isn't because they have listened to a one-sided negative view.

At the end of the day, this is business and it's tough! A lot of businesses fail and a lot don't.

All the best to you,

Shannon

I was approached at work regarding the "business" by another employee I had never met before. I was invited to go to lunch with he and a friend. At lunch, I was
given the "business plan" and told it was the way to total financial freedom. They asked to meet my wife and I at home. I agreed. My sponsor arrived on time
and was very professional, and introduced his mentor, and upline. We listened to the plan and made no committment at that time. I was interested, but my
wife was very skeptical. Let me say that up to this point, there was absolutely NO mention whatsoever of the Tool system.

For the next month or so, I recieved numerous invitations to go to to meetings, rallys, and BBQ's in order to meet various millionairs, and multi, multi-millionairs. My sponsor was very patient, but persistant. He took the time to outline in great detail how I would be financially-free in two to five years to spend more time with my family, and that the perpetual income would go on for generations, but that I would have to sacrifice now to make it happen.

I should mention at this point that my wife and I are very involved with family, our boys lives, (soccer, scouts), as well as the fact that we both work. in addition to this, we both have positions of responsibility in our church, which also requires a substantial amount of time on Sunday and during the week. Neither of us was willing to put all of this aside and start a new life at the drop of a hat to pursue the almighty dollar.

To recruit people under us, we would have to USE our friends and neighbors as well as those at church, and our family. My wife told me later that she had
practically all of her high school friends try to sell her Amway ("Scamway") before we ever met. She even went to one of those rallys, like the one featured on
the television program "Dateline".

Anyway, I decided to get into it and signed up. It wasn't until I had signed, paid and had received my start-up materials, that I was told about the "system". The "tools" would cost about $90.00 per month. I also went on-line and found how over-priced the products were. I was not happy, my wife went ballistic. By the end of the week, she had her bags packed and was on her way to her mothers', for good, if I stayed with the "Business". Naturally I chose to keep the Marriage and let the this "business opportunity" go.

Well, I got my money back and I am still happily married. We still have our life and perhaps we will start a business someday where WE will be the boss,
really.

sign me, former ibo in Salt Lake City.

just wanted to drop a note for your websites listing couples who weren't committed to the vows they exchanged when they were married. I feel your website is substantially lacking objectivity. I understand you have taken a position against the environment Quixtar/Amway creates for couples, but don't you think it would only be fair to mention some information that opposes your viewpoint and then argue that information? You have a list of less than 200 couples who were either divorced or seperated out of how many couples who ever participated in Amway/Quixtar. Just as you have to be committed to not giving up when you face challenges in the business or any aspect of life, part of the vows you exchange are "till death do us part."
Sounds like, for the most part, you have a list of people who didn't hold up their end of the vows. You fail to present any information about any of the relationships that were saved by mentorship and teachings from inspirational books. In my personal experience, I nearly lost 4 1/2 years with my then girlfriend before we joined the Quixtar groups. A little over a year later, our relationship has never been stronger and I will place 100% of the credit on the mentorship and example set by other married couples and the books recommended by the business team that have taught me how to respect my spouse and myself, and how to be the kind of man my wife can respect, and I'm not talking about earning respect or sex by showing the business plan; I'm simply talking about my character, my values, and my integrity. Instead of going out opposite directions 5 - 6 days a week to seperate jobs, we now have something we are working on together, something that will allow us to
provide for each other, our families, and when we decide to have them, our children. It doesn't have to be Quixtar/Amway, it could be rental properties or some other kind of investment, it's simply that we have something we are working on as a team, we challenge each other to grow, to succeed, to stay committed to our commitments.
I am by no means saying that Quixtar or the people in it are perfect, but when you look at the facts of how many people are divorced or seperated in the business versus out of the business, you cannot argue against the fact that the environment in the business is exponentially more conducive to promoting interpersonal growth and strengthing relationships. Of course, there are sinking ships that just can't be saved, i.e. people that never should have been married in the first place, but looking at the big picture, again, it gives people something to work for and dream about together; that is the key, you have a husband and a wife that are willing to be respect
each other and unified in the direction they choose to lead their lives. It's the togetherness that strengthens people.
One thing I have learned is that no matter how special something is, it still isn't for everyone. Just like professional sports, if everyone could do it, it wouldn't be special for those who can. If everyone could see that there is an opportunity for those who are willing to do what it takes, it wouldn't be special. I apologize for the length of this email, but I don't think it's right for people to say negative things about something they couldn't or wouldn't do the work for. The people who were divorced and blamed the business were looking for an excuse as to why their marriages didn't work out. If they ran into challanges in the business, which is
expected when you attempt to do something great, and they couldn't handle it, then it just so happened they figured it out that they couldn't hack it before something challenging happened in their lives outside of the business, which would have split them up, too.
I also don't think it's right to put skewed information on the Internet where people who may be interested in Quixtar/Amway might find and read and those people don't know any better to check the credentials and credibility of the authors of a page like yours and end up basing their decision not to pursue the opportunity because of inaccurate information. The two things that will hurt you the most are the things you don't know you don't know and the the things that you thought all along were true, but in the end were completely false.
The business is so simple and straight forward, I feel bad for people who just don't get it or quit. The only thing that prevents someone from succeeding in this business, if they are legitimately and consistently doing the necessary work, is if they quit. If you do what it takes long enough, it will happen for you. Too many people simply give up before they realize they have the potential to accomplish something great, and that happens in all aspects of life. Look at how many people give up a sport or musical instrument.

Once again, I apologize for the length, but I'll leave you with this, it's the ability to handle the pressures and challenges of being an entrepreneur that make the 5% of Americans who employ the other 95% so special.

I don't know if you personally have ever "attempted" to build the business, but consider the weight of your actions. If you have, I can safely assume it wasn't something you were willing to properly pursue to be successful. Don't take away someone else's hope because Quixtar/Amway is something you couldn't or wouldn't do.

Justin

Hi Justin,

Obviously you did not understand the point of listing the divorces.

The point was the business is advertised as saving marriages. It seems`this advertising claim for the business is incorrect due to the evidence
at hand.

You did not even point out one thing on my site that was supposably incorrect or inaccurate.

What is so great of an accomplishment in Quixtar helping thousands of people to lose money?

How much profit did you report on your taxes last year due to your Quixtar business?

Scott

you ask about profits and people losing money? did you know michael dell and bill gates both report bankruptcy numerous times before they achieved
their present status? too many people don't stick it out for the long haul. people don't have the guts or the commitment to overcome challenges and
struggles, they sacrafice their dreams because they are unwilling to go through something difficult inorder to have something great. did you ever
work with either business?
Justin

 

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