Hi Scott,

I found out last Sunday that Ron Bassett is serving time in prison in Colorado for 'at least two years' for the whole 4NExchange matter. The news came out after a few inquiries by neighbors and friends as to where Ron had been lately.

I feel sorry for his family that will noticeably suffer during his absence, but it's nice to know that the wheels of justice do turn - although rather slowly.

Kent

Hiya Scott,

Just wondering if you knew about Y2K http://www.a2k.com.au/ (Amway) and HealthPointe http://www.myhealthpointe.com/ (Amway "OldSkool Diamond Club"?) trading in Australia with the same old promises of "Make $Millions" to everyone they can con to join up as an IBO

One of my friends was almost conned into following the empty dreams But saw something wrong with their strategies and pulled out.

Regards,

Al Lacson made a deal with the Govt so his mother, Soledad, and brother, Tony (Anthony) would not be charged.

Lacson brothers charged.

http://www.usdoj.gov/usao/waw/press_room/2003/jun/znetix.htm

Alexander Diego Lacson (aka Alex Lacson) pleads guilty.

http://www.usdoj.gov/usao/waw/press_room/2003/dec/lacson.htm

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/business/185257_dgst07.html?searchpagefrom=1&searchdiff=94 Former Znetix salesman Alex Lacson was sentenced to six months in prison and three years of supervised release for obstructing the Securities and Exchange Commission's investigation into the Znetix stock fraud. The 31-year-old Redmond resident also was ordered to pay $90,000 in restitution.

www.bop.gov

Phone Number: (503)843-4442 ate Information for ALEXANDER D

Alfonso Lacson Jr (aka Al Lacson) pleads guilty and is awaiting sentencing.

http://www.usdoj.gov/usao/waw/press_room/2004/jan/lacson.htm

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/business/184685_znetix03.html?searchpagefrom=1&searchdiff=97

Hi John,

I'm going to make a copy of the New Power Wave Cd by Bill Hawkins. Amazing, it's the best one yet, and all the stats today prove all the predictions in the first two power wave cd's to be right. Things are changing so quickly, they had to cut 3 power wave cd's in the last 5 years.

Since the first power wave cd in 1999:

The number of people with a computer doubled to 70% The number of people on using the internet doubled to 80% The amount of e-commerce transactions tripled from 1% to 3% And all the top economists predict that by 2025, 50% of all business will be done through e-commerce (through the internet)

Like Bill said, if they are even half right, if 25% of all business is done through e-commerce, we are sitting on a gold mine.

He explains the S-curve, like tv, electricity, cars, phone, all new technology like that sky rockets after 10% market penetration. If 50% of business will be done by e-commerce, that means e-commerce is at 7% market penetration.

That means within the next few years, when e-commerce hits 10% market penetration, we'll be at the point of the S-curve where it skyrockets to 50%.

The top economists say that every 80 years the world goes through an economic and technological revolution. The last one we had was the tv, electricity, phone, car era. Now we're at the computer, internet/e- commerce, wireless era. They said in the past any time there was techological revolution, any involved in the business side, had a nine time increase in income.

The e-commerce revolution we're experiencing now is an opportunity that only comes around once every 80 years. And we're sitting on a gold mine, because Quixtar is one of the top internet sites, with the best infrastructure.

You chose the worst time in history to quit the Quixtar business.

You're going to miss out on a once in 80 years economic and technological revolution.

You'll be kicking yourself when you see how much I'll be making!!! I feel bad for you, I hope you get the big picture on what your missing out on.

Tom

HI Scott,

I have been reading all the infor on your site and find it to be TRUE! My father-in-law and his 2nd wife are into this big time fore over 8 years. They have a daughter that is 17 and writes me all the time about how tired she is of them making her answer the phone when they know it's a creditor. That's really sad. They have left their kids alone for years because of the BIZ. Anyhow I have a few answers for the Gung Ho folks that like to crush your Dream of just telling the truth.

1. What else do I have that's better?-- Make something and sell it on ebay. At least if your willing to work for minimum wage now, this would actually be able to afford the time you are promised "someday". I have actually have been selling on ebay for quite sometime now. Yes a real product, that's not over priced and I do NOT recruit people to do it. I also make a nice little profit from my sales. My Husband "brought me home" doing a real job that he loves and makes a difference doing anyhow, and he's home at night and on weekends and holidays and isn't Broke, he is a pro with the dreaded "education" that is so down played and makes over 200K a year and is happy to show that to anyone that doesn't believe it. He is a 28 year Old CEO. Hard work, that was his 2-5 year plan, not building a castle made of sand in the AM Scam network.

2. Residual Income--HA! From amway/quixtar? That's a laugh!. We have residual income, it's called investing! Instead of the money that we spent "building the business", we decided to take it to a finanacial planner and even if my husband's job stops, we can live like we do now off of the interest. Investment means real stocks, bonds, cd's ect. We have our dream house that's mostly paid for and two new cars that we own like normal people. We decided to put as much hardwork into what we do and found that we beat the "IN_LAWS" in the "bringing our wives home" theory.

3. You OWN YOUR BUSINESS-- It seems to me that you still have a boss, your upline, and you are bossing someone else who is supposed to be INDEPENDANT. Many say corporate America is a pyramid, well it takes one to know one right?

4. Does Wal-Mart give you money back for shopping at their store?--Yes, as a matter of fact anywhere I shop with my bank debit card gives me a tidy bonus check at the end of the year on everything that I buy, gas, doctor co-pay, food, entertainment of all types, ect. I think that if you check out that program you'll find the same as Amway bonus check. I found this to be true when I compared it with my father in laws bonus compensation. He activly works the program, and does so full time. It's really sad that that's all the better he does when that's his full time job. While I am spending this money to get my return check at the end of the year I don't feel like I am scamming anyone either. Do I tell others to check their bank for checking that pays you back? Sure do!!

Many ambots waste time even reading this site? Funny huh? If you don't have a balance of negative and positive you never learn. Wouldn't I pay to listen to a millionaire tell me how to do it? No, most rich folks are very cheap to start with and if they really want to help you they do it for free. Being honest and truthful and looking up all of the information with looking at both sides of a story makes you INDEPENDANT and FREE. Most Ambots should be happy about this site because it's a TOOL & FUNCTION that is FREE!! This site is the best savings account you can ever have, that means IBO's can keep it intact! The Christian Values they go into is just ludicrious! That isjust one more vote for a separation of church and state.

Scott your doing a Awesome service, please keep up the HONESTY!

I have one question for you if you can help me out. What is with all of these quix guys getting into this rent to own housing scams? What's the deal with them? There are many in my area that are getting into this. So much for the best experience on the planet huh? HA!!

Thanks

Lori I.

Hi Scott,

Here we go back to around 1997...

Mickey purchased an incredible amount of Big Ticket items. He needed to move these items. He needed me to go Direct. He hadn't broken a Direct in like many many years. My downline was in a position that they needed to order directly from the warehouse. Well Mickey wasn't having it, because guess what? That's right he had a garage full of vacuum cleaners, water treatment systems, etc...

The brainwashing and mind-control was in rare form. He was doubling the P.V. on these Big Ticket items. The wife in my downline was under the influence of the the Britt System, but she wasn't all the way stupid. Her question was what about the B.V.? Are we doubling the B.V.? Mickey went berserk and uttered some racial slur that he thought went unheard.

Someone in my downline heard. It spread like wild fire. Everyone was going to quit. As I wrote to you in my original story I had learned the art of transferring. I made a friend of an Emerald in Paul Miller's group. I spoke to him about transferring to his group (You can imagine how happy he was). Mickey refused to transfer me. Then he decided he would transfer me, but not my downline. My Emerald friend (you have a copy of his message) spoke to Paul, because my downline was determined to quit unless they could transfer with me. Paul spoke to Mickey. Mickey agreed to transfer my group. It was only one leg. But it was really strong. We were so stupid. We bought everything from "our" Amway Business. We were all on tape of the week and book of the month and more.

In the meantime, the couple Mickey accused me of trying to steal, heard about some of what I was going through with Mickey. They both sent messages with their thoughts. After they spoke to Mickey, he then sent me the second message with the apology.

From what I gathered from some "top" pin winners in the Miller group, Bill Britt had threatened to kick Mickey out of Britt Worldwide due to some inappropriate marital misdeeds (How funny is that now).

Listen to Mickey

Thanks again,

Jackie

Update on Doris Shaw

http://www.thedailynews.cc/articles/2004/09/21/news/news03.txt

Your inserts of peoples voices and such are also suspect. Anyone can make a website to bash an organization and for someone with such bitterness because you did not succeed or because you performed illegal activity yourself within the rules and got caught its blasphemy.

You probably went diamond and got "creative" and got taking advantage of your own downline and tried to hide your own crookedness!

Probably teamed up with bo short who is a loser and a crook as well!

have a good life

Scott I have looked over your site and the first thing that came to my mind was why?? You must have spent 1000's of hours on the net and phone to compile this type of info. (literally). Why??

I could understand being pissed off about whatever happened to you in your life and about whatever went down with your own business venture in Amway but for the love of God man , find something else to do with your time.. It's obvious to me that you have many aggenda's at work with your site.

Hey I actually learned a few things from your site but most I already new. Scott , it really is obvious that you are obsessed with this. I truely hope you find peace in your life and with whatever demon's that are at war in your mind.

I wouldn't mind a response. I am a IBO and very proud of it. I am building my business with absolute integrity. I hide nothing and I lie about nothing. I answer every question on the spot about Quixtar / Amway / Alticor / AMO's everything. Well enough about my biz, I doubt it interests you at all that there are honest people growing very large profitable and honest Quixtar businesses out here.

Take care of yourself and I hope you find some peace,

God Bless - Tim

hi I'm from Canada, Québec in fact. Do you have information about quixtar in Canada? Do you know the names of some Diamond here? Is there some "big leader here in Canada" in that stupid quixtar thing?

This thing is crazy, we ( her family) don't know what to do anymore....

One of my friend's father is in this business, and my friend told me about it. I thought it wouldn't hurt to learn more about it, so I attended a meeting. Me, my friend, and a few people from the business took me in a van to this large meeting half way across town. I attended the meeting, and there were many guest motivational speakers etc... Success stories about the business and what not..

I was sitting in the audience, and was literally scared shitless. These people reminded of the Nazi. They were bowing their arms before this guy, I had to leave the room I was so offended. I told my friend, Muhammad that this has to some kind of scam, and that your father may not realize it. He told me it's not a scam, but through the entire procedure I felt a funny feeling of unease. So finally the meeting ends, and it's about 10:30 at night. The guy who took us there, Paul Hetner, took me and my friend to In and Out Burger and paid for my meal, which was really just a way for him to convince me to join the business. There were at least 30-40 people from the business there, and when we were done, outside they were doing this pathetic "team" plan for success, and did a cheer over this business. The people were completely brainwashed, and it was actually quite horrifying. It seriously felt like I was in the middle of a movie. In the end I was considering if it really was a good business or not, and still kept coming up with the answer that it was not.

I recently discovered your website in my search to find out if this business was legal or not, and now I am entirely convinced it is a scam. I have a strong feeling that one of these days this business is going to crash into the ground, and that all these leaders, and owners will be going to jail.

It is also really kind of sad. My friend's father is a smart guy. He got a Master's degree in Management and had several excellent jobs at well respected companies. He was manager of stores like Staples, Rite Aid, etc. and was making like 70,000 a year. However my friend recently told me his dad just quit his job, and is working for Quixtar full time... This is really sad...

I don't know what people like you and me can do, but it's reassuring to know that it really is only a matter of time before the business is uncovered and all the people associated will be sentenced to prison. I heard the Dateline story on the Quixstar company, and that the FBI was investigating the "invisible" businesses that sell the Quixtar products.

I also agree, their website is odd. They hide so much information, and don't really tell you what it is you actually do. I asked my friend what does your dad do for a living, he answers me, "He's in the business." I asked what does he do in the business, he replies, "I don't know." Plus the people are complete nutcases, I would hate to see how they reacted if I said the business was a scam, they'd probably take me into the parking lot, crucify me, light me on fire, and run the Nazi flag over the building in celebration.

Well anyway, hopefully efforts by people like you and me can take down this scam once and for all.

Hi Scott

I couldn't help but notice your site always seems to carry grievances regarding MLM. It is also very wide sweeping in it's statements regarding MLM systems. Almost saying that one is the same as the other.

I myself was involved with Amway & International Business Systems (IBS) for over 5 years. In that time I attended all training etc and spent a good deal of time and money (£5k) on tools, tapes and functions.

Oh boy was it worth it. In that time I progressed in my career starting as a trainee accountant on £12k and ending up as a Financial Director on £35k. All might is say is owed to the training given from IBS regarding success principles etc. The other training I was given was on building wealth and getting out of debt. Yip you guessed it today in under 10 years from involving myself with IBS and MLM I no longer work for anyone else, but at the age of 37 years old can consider myself retired and in the top 5% money earners in Britain, all owed to the information and support given to me by the tools system from IBS.

I'm able to say this impartially as I have not been involved with Amway/IBS for over 3 years now, but would not have been where I am today without there help.

It will be interesting to see if you put this on your site!!!!

Jim Parker

Hi Scott

You're site was recommended to me by a investment property and training site.

As far as the grievances maybe that was hash, although I do think the site is geared to being more negative towards this opportunity. Just think you might actually put someone off that could do something spectacular with this business, or could pass it on to someone else that could.

I take on board your comments, however to say that you won't make any money in Amway/IBS would not be fair as you never know what someone could make of this opportunity. It was always promoted to me regarding the people that made money and how they did it. I would comment though that it is like any other business, it's not get rich quick as they are trying to help you to acquire the business skill and knowledge at the same time as running a full time job. Certainly not something for nothing.

The rewards are good though and despite what anyone says and you can quote me on this "It's not a get rich quick plan, it does pay well, but only if you help others succeed in their own businesses first. Your success is built on the success of others. A bit different to the business world I have come from".

With regards to the money the money I made from bonuses and retailing paid for all the tools etc so I got to enjoy myself meeting new people, learning about people and how to deal with the biggest thing that holds anyone back from truly achieving. "Myself".

Thanks for your time and good luck for the future.

Jim

It seems to me that you say "why won't these distributors respond to my claims..." fairly often on your site.

The reason is simple. They are out doing something with their lives. You sit here and post messages from unreliable sources, including yourself. I don't know what your hangup is. Quixtar works for those who work it, just like getting a degree or earning the best promotion at a job. It seems to me that new people are becoming Emeralds or Diamonds at a fairly regular rate, more regularly than people are becoming CEOs, so again, what's your hangup? You've never seemed to address the answer to that question.

My only other comment is that some of your visitors' claims about losing money is outrageous. You think it's impossible to make alot of money in Quixtar? I think it's far more impossible for these people to LOSE as much money as they have claimed.

Thank you

Jason

Once again you avoid issues. Please answer:

1) It seems to me that new people are becoming Emeralds or Diamonds at a fairly regular rate, more regularly than people are becoming CEOs, so ... how do you explain this? You seem to avoid ANY instance of someone MAKING money with this business plan.

2) (A new one!) What is your political party affiliation?

As for the opening part of my email, there are several instances on your site where you have mentioned that people refuse to answer your questions... I simply believe these people have better things to do with your time than answer you. You really do seem to be obsessed with this, but I don't know why. You refused to answer my direct question, "What is your hangup with this?"

You are either dense or refuse to answer questions.

1) I didn't ask HOW MUCH CEO's make. Let me make this simple, since you're obviously not getting it: How do you explain that Emeralds and Diamonds DO INDEED make money? You refuse to acknowledge this or even respond to it!

2) You obviously have some hangup with the whole thing, because you posted a website about it. I don't know why this became necessary. Why did you do that and what makes you ANY authority on the subject?

Profit last year $6,700.

This year expected $15,000.

I'm actually quite tired of this discussion. You have a website that bashes a business model. I don't know why you began it or maintain it... I'm sure you have better things to do with your time. Or at least I hope you do.

Bankruptcy is at an all-time high, people are spending more than they earn (after taxes), and 98% of Americans continue to work or are dead after age 65, according to the Social Security Administration. (This is another Amway urban legend. There is no documentation to support this statement.)

I think there is a LOWER rate of divorce among IBOs than amongst everybody else. Your divorce page is awful (like most of your site) because you choose a small percentage of examples and preach on as if it is the majority--similar to the media. You should have a webpage about OJ Simpson, and about how the majority of ex-NFLers kill their wives but get away with it.

Hello Scott,

I am from Quebec, Canada.

I was involved as a distributor for over 7 years in the Yager system. I am what used to be called in the seminars a looser, I guess... because I resigned as a distributor 4 years ago.I gave myself 5 years when I started ( has in any business ) to make profit. I got involved at 18, didn't go to university right away ( to be a diamond, it takes sacrifices ), invested over 50,000$ in a few years in tapes, seminars, books, t-shirt and other tools that my upline said I needed...Showed the plan 20 to 25 times per month...and made a little bit of money ( never enough to pay what I had invested).I did whatever had to be done - without sucess, unfortunately.

I was shocked by the information founded on your site, because, to tell you the truth, I never tried to check how Quixtar and Amway was doing in the latest years, and I had so much respect for the people that were diamond...How supprising! these people used to be my heroes...I guess things changes.

I am not bitter about the experience in fact...I learned good selling techniques that are still helping me with my present work, I married my upline, and made good friends. I learned what is commitment, working towards a goal with all of your hearth and failing... wich is a fact of life.You win some, you loose some!

Life without the Yager system is good...and franckly, I would never do it again.

Anyway, just wanted to share the info and my experience...

Have a good day.

Pascal

PS. by the way, sorry if there is spelling mistakes, my first language is not english.

Last update 11/3/2004

hey Scott-

I just wanted to send you a quick email praising you for your quixtar website. I realize to put that site together must of taken a lot of time, effort, and money. I am a former Quixtar distributor myself in the BWW system. I entered in the business in March of 2000 and exited in May of 2001. Even though I was in the business for a little over a year, it was a tramatic experience that brought depression and a lot of other negative experiences. At the time I was a 19 year old college freshman. To fully get out of the business my parents had to call in Rick Ross a cult deprogramer who finally showed me the light.

A couple of quick questions for you?

1. Is there anything that I can to help you maintain or add onto your site?

2. Do you have any more details about the Paul Miller and Bill Britt divorce?

-When I talk to people about the business the Britt WW distribtors are pretty much in the dark as to what happened.

3. Also a ruby direct in the business named Corey + Stacey Lessmann quit the business in March of 2000. There line of sponsership was Joe Markiewicz thru current emerald Michael Waechter. Just thought you might want to add that onto the site. I have a link to the agenda in which they were speakers at a Markiewicz dream night in 2000.
Thanks again for all you work...

John U.

hey Scott-

Another quick thing that might go well on your site. George Fredericks, the emerald who was featured in the dateline story is no longer listed on Joe Markiewicz's website as the keynote function speaker in New Jesery. Before the story aired he was listed as the leader of the open meeting. In the dateline story, it said he had a warrant out for his arrest for felony crack possession in North Carolina. Could it be he got picked up the warrant or he was kicked out of the business?
Thanks,

John

Dear Scott,

I have a friend who is currently based in CA and have introduced me to this E-commerce business strategy called N21. She is one of my dearer friend and have forwarded me a website to share her experience. However, when i visited the website, it required me to register and in small prints indicated for a small fee. Being a paranoid or really careful person, I decided to read more about her desciption of the business on the website and was redirected to your page and they seem to adopt similar selling patterns as you have described Amway. (she went of a business convention just last weekend.) What i would like to know is if you've heard of n21 ? (www.n21.com) and do they operate similarly as Amway and Quixtar? The last thing i would want to happen to her is to be involved in a risky business.

Thanks.

Regards,

Crystal

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I just wanted to state a brief fact that I researched and found out about recently. My spouse is in the business and I have been somewhat leary. I looked up your site and what you stated about Howie Danzik being married etc., and how it ended in divorce.

Mr. Danzik, whom I heard speak at a rally stated he had built the business as a "single" and then married Theresa Tsuruda who was also a Diamond/single.

After reading your site about Howie and his first wife's divorce, I quickly began to do some research - all of which is public record, as you know.

Howie & Susan Danzik were divorced about 7 months before Theresa and him were married - this is strange considering that she speaks on a tape of hers about how they "courted for over a year" and then got married.

I found an OLDOLD OLD world wide tape where Howie talks about his divorce - but that wasn't enough to put my mind at ease. So, I did some research in the courts in Colorado and asked some tough questions to some people within world wide. Turns out, that Ron Puryear told Howie to stop "living in the past and talking about his divorce after he had moved on and married Theresa". He said, its "time to look toward the future" etc.,

Howie Danzik stated to a friend of mine that he was married but Susan was "just along for the ride and had no desire to build the business etc., " and that "there marriage ending was a direct result of her adulteress affair."

Now, according to what I found out - she admitted the affair but Colorado is a no fault state so - go figure! Anyway, he appealed the money etc., he had to pay in the divorce proceeding, however in 2000, the Colorado appellate court upheld the district courts initial decision in the case. What a mess huh?

Bottom line is, he said she cheated...and his and Theresa's story is they courted for over a year before getting married, yet there is a World Wide program in April of the same year Susan and him were divorced, showing them "happy and together" at a function. Theresa and him were married the following may....

Seems a little quick doesn't it? Maybe he is just money hungry and saw the dollar signs of marrying another diamond....I don't know.

Anyway, my search for legitimate information still continues......

Confused.

r.j.

I am so excited to see your site, free speech is a right we should all enjoy. I am an IBO w/ Quixtar/ Amway and am so absolutely in love with the system. I owned my own traditional business for a couple years before I saw this opportunity in 2002 and know what it takes to put a "paying" business together. No, I am not wildly profitable yet, but yes I understand the bonus chart and how it works and have been well compisated for my efforts thus far, I knew when getting involved with Quixtar this was not a job, it is a business so I expected it to pay like one. It has changed my life for the better and we are definitely moving forward with this wonderful opportunity. I would sell it for no $.

Disney, Barns and Noble, Office Max etc. are smart companies that do their home work, so when I check this awesome opportunity out, I checked them out as well. Thank you for allowing my "freedom of speech" to be represented on your site. We need lots of different views and I thank you for sharing. What a great country we live in!

God Bless our country and freedom of speech!

Hi,

I'm being 'prospected' for Quixtar tonight. I know it's all bullshit, but am going out of concern for my friend. In a nustshell, my understanding is that this is a pyramid masquerading as a MLM gig. Is this right?

Thanks for any other pertinent and concise info

Hi Scott,

Here are some facts to update your web site about Casey :

Casey has bought all 6 months of his Diamond Qualification this year. He purchased and either stockpiled or gave away the product while shuffling the PV to Randy Kaufman his Thunder Bay Direct. Randy would never out Casey about this because Casey bought Randy 2 Bombardier Snow Mobiles with Cash he skimmed from opens, a few years ago. Casey is great at buying peoples loyalty.

When Ken & Annie Wilson decided to try to see if their marriage could be repaired, Casey told Ken that he should DIVORCE the f'ing whore because she was just like his ex-wife. He then cut Ken off all tool money and told him he was not welcome at the meetings.

Tony & Leanne Merceica have grown tired of Casey's lies and contradictions and finally decided to do something else with their lives in addition to the lies they lived in within Interbiz. Regardless of whether Tony's other venture is good or bad, Casey has done everything he can to divide and conquer Tony's group, and hurt Tony & Leanne. They have received phone threats from some of Caseys loyal directs. Can you believe there are any!

There is a rumor circulating that Casey and one of his big Directs by the name of Stevenson are being investigated by Quixtar for supposedly re-sponsoring currently sponsored IBO's using their middle names. I do not know if this is true and it would surprise me because Stevenson had a reputation for being a good guy! Can't figure out why he still follows Casey though!

Casey is still walking around bashing his wife Cathy, from whom he has been separated for almost 3 years now. When something does not go his way in the business, he starts a big cry sob story about how she is this and that. He tells people that she is trying to get 100,000.00 per month support from him which is ridiculous because he DOES NOT Make that much and if he says he does, ask him why his Porsche and Yukon are leased and he just sold his current home for a smaller home worth several hundred thousand dollars less. There are directs who have put their foot down and said no more after hearing Casey cry the blues about how horrible Cathy is and many more who are afraid to because he can manipulate and screw with their tool income as he has with many.

CAthy has been a class act when it comes to her group. Casey has been bashing her at meetings since a few years before they separated. Behind her back he was telling us in leadership meetings that Cathy was mentally unstable and dangerous. He told all of his male leaders on a mens trip to Las Vegas in October 2001 that he was divorcing her. He refused any help or counsel and has regularly told everyone who would listen that she had and has always had affairs on him. Cathy is no more perfect than any of us but I tell you if I was married to Casey I would have had a million affairs because he was an absentee father and husband, putting his business ahead of his family from the start. Never once has Cathy picked up the phone or gone on the computer to send out messages to us to "tell her side" She has sat silent while he has tried to destroy her reputation. I can tell you that I will never believe that Cathy had an affair, the only thing she is guilty of is being snowed by him and loving him! SHE NEVER HAD AN AFFAIR!!!!!

Casey told us in leadership meetings that he financed her music even after they split up but a call to a friend revealed that Casey not only DID NOT do that, he cut off all her money and she went to the bank to finish the project she was doing, going into Debt while Casey financed his girlfriends business to test people for their nutritional needs out of Casey & Cathy's companies. Lets not forget that Casey was living with this girl who was one of Cathy's closest friends, almost immediately after moving out of his big house where he and Cathy lived! Casey tells people in his group that Jeannie was a family friend and she WAS not. SHe was an IBO in one of their legs who did eveything she could to befriend athy and get into their lives.

Then she did everything she could to get to Casey. I heard from a friend of a family member that Cathy een caught the 2 of them in her own basement in the middle of the night half naked when their youngest child was only a month old. Casey spent all kinds of weekends with Jeannie the last summer Casey & athy were still together, while he was supposed to be out of town on business and Cathy & the kids were at the cottage alone!

Casey claims to be rich and buy everything cash but his vehicles are leased with the exception of a Viper that he and Cathy bought years ago and his leaders continue to leave him. Casey also has several business interests in Las Vegas that the government does not yet know about but they will soon enough! Everything illegal eventually catches up with you!

truth

First, I want to applaud you for posting your information regarding the antics of the individuals regarding scamway/kwikscar on the Net. I was a former IBO (I thought, until those in the Scamway cult got their hands on me and my money). I had to file a loss for each and every year (3 to be exact). I only stayed in out of selfish pride and that I didn't quit anything I started. When I found out what was going on behind the curtains at the Functions/ meetings with the Big Pins (I quickly made my exit). It took me a while to find out the real deal (most of these guys are a part of the "oldest good-ol boy" system going around). I've talked numerous times to and have been to Paul Miller's place (Mistletoe) , Bill Britt's place and ranch in NC, etc.. Years back (around early sept. '96), when a very big Miller team meeting location was accidently doublebooked in Charlotte, NC, amazingly, Oasis Temple was available within less than an hour(as a new meeting site and tickets were printed immediately). Something like this could not happen unless these people are a part of that association. Dig deeper, i'm sure you'll find even more regarding Gospel Films (Zeoli), tapemaking dist. plants, etc... Most of these guys know that their "glory days" of stealing from most Distributors are done. It's only the stupid ones in "Leadership" (term used very loosely) that are still in it (like Billy Flo, etc..) and the new Dist. who have been brainwashed. It's not a coincidence that Miller, Britt and all of the other's antics are now visible. It would be great to make a book/movie "Unmasking the evil empire" or the Real Axis of Evil: Exposing the truth behind the lies of Scamway/Kwikscar". Make it a fiction (change the names) based on real events where a character (like Tom Cruise in "The Firm" has to deal with these kinds of people). If this can be made and the real story is exposed, hopefully others will not have to go through what I did. It took me many many years to recover (financially, personally, etc..). It is cultish in origin. (power of mass suggestion... just like many of those televangelists on tv (Hinn, Creflo Dollar, and others who have atms and love buckets ). Ken Copeland actually was in Skamway years ago and spoke at many of their (Sunday morning events). Many who have skipped out with others money are doing the same thing (or laying low in their new "profession". The others have been caught trying to cheat others (as posted on your site). Keep up the good work and post as much as you can to keep the info out there. --R

(please keep my name and email address unpublished-Thanks)

I joined the Quixtar last Dec and I hate to admit it, but I was drawn in by the hype and became a "believer" before I realized what was really going on.

They have this claim that "Anybody can do this" because "The System" is so good. I believed this for a while but I came to realize that if you are notan outgoing hard-driven salesmen type person that you don't stand a chance, that's unless you just get lucky. They put a lot of emphasis on studying the four basic temperaments and by far I would say over 95% of the leaders (platinum and up are choleric or sanguine type personality (i.e outgoing, extraverted, driven, aggressive, natural people skill type) They insist though that it makes no difference. It didn't take long for me to realize that I was not made for this kind of business. Contacting and Showing The Plan became a very stressful experience for me.

On top of that, the "System" books, tapes, opens, seminars, majors, supplies to hand out to clients was becoming excessively expensive, and once you're in, they try to ramp up your commitment to more options, like voicecomm and an extra tape and a monthly leadership book, etc. I added up what would be a full commitment to system tools and it came to over $250 / month! The pittance of money I was making was easily swallowed up by the commitment level I was at. Like you said on your site, they do put a major emphasis on buying for yourself as the major part of the business, and they don't in the least try to hide it. I did not know until I read your site that this was illegal. I was told early on to falsely self report 50pv of my personal purchases if I was going to be in a position to receive a bracketing bonus for the month in order to meet the minimum outside volume requirements of Quixtar. I tried selling the products, but the prices are so high that it is easier to sign op IBO's than it is sell that stuff.

Other things I found distasteful was the carrot an stick routines they constantly use to get you to perform to their standards. For instance if you are a go-getter (15 plans/month, which they say only takes a commitment of several hours a night for 2-3 nights a week Ha!, I figure it takes at least 30hrs/week. With all the follow-up visits and travel time, etc) you get to go to a monthly men's leadership meeting, where they supposedly tell you all the really good stuff at how to succeed at this, and you get invited to have special Q & A meetings with your upline diamond, whom they treat like mini-gods. If you do 150pv/month, you get invited to a 150pv party, which I found out you have to pay to go to. Now this party they say is a chance for the "Team to have fellowship and fun". Well that leaves out about 95% of the team, because only about 5% do 150pv. Then my team leaders started adding on to the party, by announcing toward the end that the party would continue somewhere else (another special privilege) for those who were also go-getters for the month. In MHO the wrong place, the wrong time, the wrong way, completely distasteful. This kind of thing goes on at many levels throughout the organization, stratifying the team into many factions. I haven't talked to many other people on my team to find out what they think of this. I wonder if they feel as discouraged as I. The reason I don't ask questions is, that negative talk or discussions about Quixtar policy are strictly forbidden, except with an upline. Of course you are not allowed to start a side team, where you can make better bonuses, unless you are a go-getter and then a power-player (You're probably familiar with these levels) and then get the approval of your upline.

The aspect of Christian values that they proclaim was very attractive to me, because I am a practicing Christian myself, and have been all my life. I was immediately taken in by this, though I still believe that there are some sincere God honoring people on the team. The longer I was involved however, the Christian theme seemed to have a different flavor. For one thing it is extremely right wing conservative. I believe in conservative moral values, but they carry it through politically too, which does not represent my political values. But this is more than a personal thing in my opinion, because of the overbearing nature in which they push there values on to those downline. It also seems disingenuous, to preach Christian values to you from the stage and in one to one upline business counseling, and then scam you with their outrageous profits on the B.S.M.s at the same time. I personally don't know how they can sleep at night! I even got hung for a $50 for a pair of tickets they told me I needed to purchase and then resell to a new IBO I signed up, then the people backed out and I was left holding the bag. With no refund policy on event tickets of course! They told me they would take care of it, but of course they conveniently forgot.

I hate to admit that I was scammed, but I now believe that I was. My motivation for doing this was to get out of debt. I am in the latter years of my career and went through some problems that were out of my control, to put me in a situation that makes retiring at a normal age unlikely. They played on this of course, saying that I could be financially independent with average effort in 6 to 18 months. This is an illusion!!

Another thing that I thought might be of interest to you is their recruiting policies. First of all they actively teach and practice withholding information to potential IBO's until they get them to sign up. NOTHING is said about the costs of the System. It's really a bait and switch scheme. Secondly they have a scheme they call a "Squeeze Play". This is where they have several applications lined up, but they won't immediately enter them in to Quixtar. They instead, use this as leverage for several days to new clients when showing them the plan, telling them that if they sign up they will have an instant downline team already in place. They say that these other people haven't finalized their decision yet, and of course the people that are being held back as leverage never know that they are being used in this way! Is this ethical and/or legal? It sure seems questionable to me, and I never felt right about doing it myself.

Eventually after about nine months and several thousand dollars later, overcome by the stress of it. I told my upline that I wanted off the "System" which of course was met with resistance. Now I know I was taking money directly out of his pocket every month. The expenses for B.S.M.s were intolerable though.

He told me that I had made tremendous progress "personally" and that I would be risking this progress by going off System. To them the "System" is the holy grail of the business. I have personally heard Craig Michaels on several occasions, once when I was invited to his house, say to "Submit to the System" this is their mantra. Now that I know that the majority of the money the diamonds are making is from tool sales I can see why he says this. After getting off the "System" I took a wait and see attitude thinking I may try it again someday still not getting the full impact of what was really going on. I had made some good friends and had mixed feelings about losing my relationship with them, yet the longer I have been not going to meetings and listening to tapes the more I realize that they and myself were and are being brainwashed. Kind of sad I think, to use people like this.

In reality, in the real world only a few people will rise to the top of any organization, and become rich. Quixtar people are told that they all can become rich. I think this is deceit. In the final analysis, Quixtar at the end of the day is nothing more or less than selling insurance or Kirby vacuum cleaners, door to door. It's just sales, and it sure is not for me, because I am not a salesman and I can't make myself into one, nor am I comfortable with the sleazy side of the sales business. I feel bad that I was suckered into this thing and for so many months was so convinced that it was the greatest thing going. I sure hate to admit to friends of mine that told me I was crazy that they were right! I know that this was lengthy but it feels good to be able to express it to someone, without being judged a traitor. I would like to here your feedback. Are there others like me? Have you heard all this before? Is there an alterior motive for diamonds and emeralds to push depth like they do? Is this a sure fire, long term business for the people who have succeeded or will the bubble burst?

If you can use any information I gave you, feel free. Please don't use my name though, as I am trying to maintain some form of friendship with people that are still involved in the Quixtar. BTW the L.O.S. that you showed on your site is very much like mine, though not as high a bracket as that.

Re Bernie Desouza Missing

Bernie is still active in the business, He left IBS after a massive dispute with Scriven/Gregory which allegedly resulted in Dave Butler punching him over the loss of tools income.

Hello,

I was in Amway in the early 90s (upline Diamond, Ken Stewart) - can't say it was an entirely bad experience, but I remember being totally brainwashed re: tools and functions and the whole nine yards. I'm sure I lost money - quit after reaching the 4000 level.

Anyway my 18 year old son called me tonight all fired up about Quixtar - he's ready to sign on, and wants me to do it too. I have no interest in it, and I don't want him to end up brainwashed chasing after some pipe dream. What should I know? What sorts of questions should I be asking, or encouraging him to ask?

Thanks!!

Linda

PS Do you have any info on Brian and Victoria Windle, or George and Lillian Metz? (former upline Pearls and Emeralds, respectively - I've always wondered how they're doing at it if they're still involved.)

I would like to Thank You for your Site http://www.amquix.info/amway.html I have also Since found

http://www.freedomofmind.com/resourcecenter/groups/a/amway/ which deals with the same Company.

Tonight I had two IBO's of Quixtar at my house, I had invited them as I was looking for information on Amway and I was confused at the end of the Original Meeting due to various reasons.

I was feeling it was an MLM and so searched Google for more info and found your site and the other one. After reviewing the info I realized that all info presented was fact, due to the actions of the IBO's who visited me, and now do not want to be involved in this.

I was also very disgusted with the Media Clip of the Diamond Rep telling the Downline to borrow shoes for their kids and buy tools instead. That Bitch deserves a Good Smack upside the head.

Thank You so Much for putting up this Site.

Nicole

It amazes me all the quiters of mlm bad mouthing Quixtar,they are uninformed on the way hundreds of thousands of I.B.O's that run a respectable very profitable business thru Quixtar alone,if those quiters would of listened to what they were told by their upline and the system,ya it's the best system out there they too could go platnium and start making money off the system like any distribution.It's a business and those that bad mouth good values,faith,and hope for better future are in the wrong anyway.As a platnium in 7months and getting checks for 6000.00 a month from the corporation,our family was blessed with this business.The system is optional but helpful,I was taught lend what you have there is no need to pay for knowledge.When shown the plan we were also informed alot more comes along with going platnium.It is only the 95% that are to stubborn to ever find out the great teachings this business offers.Yager,Wilson,Haugen, are wonderful people but don't believe me get involved and find out the wealth that is out there for everyone.GO DIAMOND

hello scott, my name is Robert and im a former/current ibo for quixtar and am defintly not happy with the whole scam. i was aproched by a family friend whom i met in big brothers big sisters of michigan. I had untill now always thought of shawn pillsbury as a nice and upstanding guy who was always good to me when i was young. As time went on we didnt see eachother too often untill the whole "plan" thing led him to my door, of course not to talk of the pastor exchange plesentries but to sell me on the plan. After he naged me to death i said ok as long as he put up the initual cost, what a mistake. I discovered as most do that its just the begining of the control the cash and the invasion of privacy. Shawn was always a religous person which im sure is one of the reasons hes in the old boys club to begin with but he has defintly changed for the worse. Its not about religon anymore its about money. After a few meeting at 5 dollars a piece and countless attempts to make me cut my hair and wear a suit i was less then impressed not to mention that each meeting is basicly the same. Im sure i could show the plan still as it was only shownat every meeting over and over agian. Brainwashing maybe or just a feeble attempt to make money while not really having much to say . Anyways i would like to commend you for your work and would love to help out as much as i could. I have known michal moore in the past if you could get ahold of him im sure he could help you rip them a new one. i would also keep in touch and give any info you would like .

Scott,

I stumbled across your website while checking for any info on my former up line Diamond John Crowe. I completely agree with free speech and that everyone has a right to their opinion. I was a distributor for 8 years in the mid-80’s, never made a lot of money and yes, I did spend a good bit of money on books, tapes and functions. And although I never made the kind of money that Paul Miller, Crowe and the rest have, I feel the experience was extremely beneficial. Many of the self-help books I got, I still have, and re-read on a regular basis and I feel they have helped me in a successful career, as did my association with the great folks in the business. I spent a number of late-night Diner breakfasts with John and Paul, as well as leadership weekends, and found them to be intelligent, supportive and uplifting individuals. I also agree with them that in society we are brainwashed to follow the pack, get a good job, etc. I felt that the Crowes, Millers and Britts were simply trying to present an alternative mindset. I was never "brainwashed into spending my life savings pursuing a pipe dreams and if there are weak-minded people out there that do that, they’ve got a bunch more problems than listening to John Crowe encourage people to develop a better self image, love your spouse, believe in God and pursue your dreams.

In one of your recent posts, a woman was complaining about John putting down higher education. I’ve found out in the almost 20 years I’ve been away from Amway, is that I DO know a lot of college graduates that don’t make squat and that owning ANY business (which of course doesn’t necessarily require a degree) can bring a much high paycheck than working for someone else. I could go one forever, but I just wanted to stick up for some folks that I think are pretty decent.

Feel free to post this note.

B. Newman

Scott,

I have been researching the Quixtar opportunity for a couple months now. Through my various web searches I have found that the coreline products have very good reviews. I have also compared the nutrilite vitamins with others and find the quality very competitive but the price is very high. I went on several nutrition sites and it seems like nutrilite is a first rate product. I haven't heard a negative comment yet. Is the product line really that good or are the reviews padded by IBOs? **** I do not know. When I took the double -X vitamins, my urin was very dark. I guess I was just peeing out all of the stuff. I guess you need to look at price/value. For $1.55 a double X, I guess it should be good. I cannot justify that much for their vitamin when I notice no special results.

I have tried the LOC brand of cleansers and XS drinks and found that they are also quite good.

As a life experience I decided to join the Quixtar opportunity despite the warnings of many people including yourself. My sponsoring group is worldwide. I have spent a few hours on your website, which I must say is very impressive. First rate job, well done. I am a college student working on a BBA focusing on entrepreneurial leadership. For the most part I see the whole Quixtar thing as live training for future careers.

I have been to a few plans and have met my upline emerald (side note: he bought his house with money from the business to use as a hub for training new IBOs) In my observations I have noticed something about the people that are higher up in the organization. They all say that "ANYONE" from any background can build this business, and the majority of them say that going to school is a waste of time in "the new internet driven era." However, they also had gone to school in the past and have degrees in business, science, and other things. To me it looks as though school wasn't such a waste of time for them. They also seem to have the ability to look at it from the outside while immersed in it.

**** If world wide is an "internet" business, why do you still need to pick up products? Many groups in WWDB still work the business the old Amway way. That is you pay your upline for products with check, or cash, and you need to pay the downline their bonuses.

I also agree that being on standing order for CDs and books is BS, and a scam.

All that being said, I have a few questions for you:

1) What is (if possible) the most profitable (and ethical) way to run this opportunity? So far I stand behind the products

2) Although it may be stated in your website I may have missed it....... What do you do for a living? Putting this site together looks like a full time job. Once again, I appreciate your tremendous effort with it.

http://www.amquix.info/About_me.html

3) For someone not in it, how did you find out so much?

Although my uplines specifically told me not to go your site I felt that it was in my best interest to go here. They warned me of "negative info on the business." I see things differently I believe that it is important to see the positive and negative side to anything. On one of the CDs Bill Hawkins talks about prospecting over the phone....he tells the guy that (in kinder words) that he would be stupid if he did not see for himself what the plan is all about. His advice also applies to someone visiting your site. If all you see is the plan and it's dreams; and none of the consequences, you're an idiot.

My plan is the following.....to make some decent money or at least have it pay for the rest of my college tuition without being caught in the dogma of the company. Do you think this is possible? If so please tell me how.

Although it may cause slow growth for me, I plan on sending all of my serious prospects to your website to make sure that they are totally informed on what they are getting into.

If this doesn't pan out I can always try out for season 3 of the apprentice =P

Scott I have looked over your site and the first thing that came to my mind was why?? You must have spent 1000's of hours on the net and phone to compile this type of info. (literally). Why??

I could understand being pissed off about whatever happened to you in your life and about whatever went down with your own business venture in Amway but for the love of God man , find something else to do with your time.. It's obvious to me that you have many aggenda's at work with your site.

Hey I actually learned a few things from your site but most I already new. Scott , it really is obvious that you are obsessed with this. I truely hope you find peace in your life and with whatever demon's that are at war in your mind.

I wouldn't mind a response. I am a IBO and very proud of it. I am building my business with absolute integrity. I hide nothing and I lie about nothing. I answer every question on the spot about Quixtar / Amway / Alticor / AMO's everything. Well enough about my biz, I doubt it interests you at all that there are honest people growing very large profitable and honest Quixtar businesses out here.

Take care of yourself and I hope you find some peace,

God Bless - Tim

Hi Scott,

Thanks for the quick response:) To be quick , I ask alot of questions. To everyone and about evrything. I'm an information seeker. It is part of my nature. I would ask GOD - WHY???

All of the hobbies you listed have a start and a finish. They begin with a goal in mind and are pursued until they are reached. And like most , they move on and start onto the next challenge. I just don't see a finish with your hobby Scott. Do you have a ultimate goal or desire with your current pursuit? I guess this point is WHY I contacted you in the first place. I just see an enormous amount of time and effort and money put into your site and I can't answer this why for myself so I e-mailed. I applaud you on the effort for it is well researched and documented. Nice detective work.

I have a very open mind and I am always welcoming diversity and challenges in all aspects of my life. God created life and the very universe itself to be diverse and ever changing to keep us constantly on our toes and growing(hopefully) as people and in spirit.

Nutrilite and XS is my major focus and putting time back in peoples lives.

Retail/Members % is easily 75 or greater. If all goes well , this could be in the high 90% bracket in the next month. i have very big clients currently. B2B is going to be huge for me.

It has been just under a year to date for me. i havn't even thought about filing yet.

Well that wasn't quick. lol I type slow. I had to stop myself because I get very excited when I start talking about my biz and where i know I'm going with it.

Fell free to fly me another e-mail:)

God Bless and take care of yourself Scott. I hope you find what you are looking for. Pray for guidance and wisdom and ask God to be your light in the dark. I have and still am and my life has improved a 1000 fold. Hope I helped.

Your friend in Christ,

Tim

Mr. Larsen,

Me and my fiancée are current inactive members in Quixtar. We signed up in February with the understanding that this was not a pyramid scheme and that this was something that everyone else would help us to achieve our dreams.

I attended the seminars, both the monthly and the "major", and attended every Tuesday night business meeting. I talked to friends, family, and co-workers.

I was "fired up" as the leaders continually preach. My sponsor and "coach" said I was destined to get big. I listened to the tapes, bought the books, and did everything the leadership and my coach said to do. I got a whopping 0 people enlisted in my business, although my "team" managed to get 14 people under me. That was to build the belief in the system until I could sustain it on my own.

Something with this didn't sit right, something I couldn't identify so I went searching the web. I found opposing views, leadership and other Quixtar members who preached the fight, and some who really didn't settle it either way.

My fiancée was a bit less than enthusiastic about the business. She harbored doubts, but supported me because she knew I was doing what I thought was right and I was doing it for our family. When we got a email from a friend of her uncle who had told them about our business, we were excited....the leaders were right, we would finally find someone who "was looking". We went to meet the couple, talked to them about business according to the doctrine, "Don't tell them too much. Get them to a Tuesday where they'll learn the details."

The couple said they were interested and we left first contact materials with them, a book and some tapes.

Three days later, they called back, said they changed their minds and would we give an address for them to send the materials back to.

I am not unhappy that I got involved in Quixtar to one extent. The books I read have helped me improve myself and my direction. I am sorry I got involved with Quixtar because I feel betrayed by the hidden agendas and "actual" workings of this MLM business.

We've called our upline and told them we were concentrating on our home....we just got custody of my children...and we would decide later whether or not to continue in the business. The calls come about twice a week, "to check on us...because we're friends"

Sincerely,

J.A.H.

New Emerald Directs (from Diaomnd)

Scott & Cris Harimoto from WWDB.. Upline Brad & Leslie Wolgamott

One of my downline Quixclones told me. I still have one couple left spending over $10,000.00 per year "plugging in", who has yet to go past the 1000pv level (but they still tell people that they have to key to making $100,000.00 per year income... unbelievable).

Evidently, the corporation let Don slide. They told him to "lay low" for a while, and then after some time has passed he can go back to speaking at functions and the likes.

I'm stupified.

Hello Scott,

As far as Quixtar, I have found it to be a very convenient shopping portal. Some prices are more and some are less than other sites or stores - just like many other sites I've been to. What I really like is the peace of mind, knowing that if I don't like the product or it fails in anyway that I can return it hassle free - and I have. I can definitely say that I have not encountered that from other shopping web sites I have ventured to buy stuff from, or even many stores.

Regards,

I'm sure in the plan you saw, they mentioned 50/15 people on "system". As part of being on "system", you do 150 pv per month. Yes, if some don't do 150 pv, then you need more people. That is why I specified 7500/2500 pv. As far as telling newbies (your term) they need to recruit 75 people, I have to say in all the opens I've attended I have never heard anyone state that a newbie has to recruit 75 people. That is the power of the team concept. It's like that old Suave shampoo commercial, you tell two friends and they tell two friends and so on. Pretty soon a lot of people have been told. At worst case, one would only have to recruit 2 people one in each leg. However, if you treat this as a business then you will do all that you can to make your business successful. In the meeting they give the base level to attain the $2-3 k, any new recruits that I show the plan to I specifically tell them that 50/15 on system is best case senirio, but not everyone that joins will help build the team. A lot will do nothing, and that is why I point out the 7500pv/2500 pv.

As far as not knowing about the tool plan paying out, I believe (and I may be wrong), but I'm sure I saw on your site, Bill's explanation of how the money works. And as you know he talks about secondary income. Also, by your own admission you sate, "in the meeting they did not mention how the tools plan paid out so how can I add that in if they don't say how it is paid out?", in a 2 and a half hour meeting you it's not possible to mention everything. And it seems that you based a lot of your information on partial information. Why not get all the facts prior to publishing on your site? I'm not sure the questions you asked, but one of mine was how the money was calculated, and I was given the information.

Scott, I don't have all the answers about Quixtar, but what I have seen and experienced seems to be truthful and honest. You may not agree with their approach, but I've yet to see any dishonesty. And my check keeps coming each month, and although it's not huge, my yearly income from Quixtar will exceed any raises I might get as an engineer over two years. Seems worth it two me.

If you want or need more information just ask.

Regards,

Alan

It seems you mist the jist of my e-mail, but that is OK. Yes you did ask for my calculations and tool pay out, but that was in a second e-mail. I responded to the first e-mail prior to reading the second e-mail you sent, which was the one asking for those specifics. I don't want to take a hostile or sarcastic tone, as it seems you have, but you are having a hard time keeping simple e-mails straight. It would be quite impossible for me to respond to your second e-mail asking about the calcs and tool pay out until I read it. I don't know about you, but I usually read my e-mails in the order that they appear. Darn, I went and took a sarcastic tone. Look, I stated that I don't have all the answers, but what I have been told so far has happened and my checks keep coming. And I will restate a major point I made before, it a great site to shop from. The customer service has been outstanding. I have never had any issues returning any purchases that I didn't like or were defective. I can tell you of several major stores where it wasn't as pleasant.

As for the money calcs, I will put something together for you as soon as I can. And as for the tool pay out, I will have to ask my up line platinum if I can forward it. I promised him not to hand it out.

Regards,

Alan

Hello Scott,

After examining your calculation, they are essentially the same as mine. I must admit that I created an excel spread sheet over a year ago and hadn't looked at the formulas behind the numbers since then. So, I had to go back and re-analyze what I did. The differences I see between yours and mine might simply be our assumptions. But first I did make a mistake on the one time bonuses. The 2k should be 2.5 k, which would make it 8.5 k for the year. Also, not sure why I put the $1200, I calculated just under a $1000 as you did. Regardless I used a $1000 monthly to get my total of $29,000. I calculated using a ratio of 2:1 BV:PV for my low end and a high end of 2.5:1 BV:PV. Also, I add the Q12 bonus in my calculation with the one time bonuses. So, just using your numbers below which are essentially the same as mine,

$969/ month * 12 + $8500 +$10,000 = $11628 +8500 +10000 = $30128 / yr = $2510 / month from Quixtar.

Also, by the time you reach the $5k bonus, going from platinum to founder platinum your team will have grown. Chances are very good that the 2500 leg will now be around 5000 or higher. Which, as you know means 2/3 of the 4% leadership bonus. Also the 7500 leg will have grown and the total bonus paid will go up.

Also, if your 2 nd leg happens to grow from 2500 to 7500 in the same year then you are Sapphire - I think, I believe there is another one time bonus of $7.5k. Another factor to consider is that the chance is great that a 3rd leg will have been started and obviously this creates additional money.

Regards,

Alan