I read your entire site and got good laughs out of it. Thanks for spending many wasted hours to give my prospect many great reasons to build his Quixtar business. My prospect brought me to it thinking it would through me off. Once I read it with him, went over why it was either a bunch of opinions, or a statement that starts with facts and ends with opinions, he's ready to get started and now has tons of ammo to deal with sites like this when his prospects bring up sites like this!!!! THANKS AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
By the way, post this message on your web-site if you have the guts to post the TRUTH. However, knowing the internal fortitude of people like you, you won't post this next time I look at your site.
P.S. I make alot of money, just like you say we claim can't happen, have never made a dime from tapes, functions, or books, and am home with my wife and kids and will be for the rest of my life!!!!

Next note:

By the way, I read in some of your quotes that you said retail was never mentioned at meeting. Hello! We teach people to build a retail business that will fund their expenses of building their business. Therefore, no out of pocket cost to run your business! I have already helped all of my downline do that!!!! Put that on your website!

Editors note: What the site visitor mentions is true about retail sales. Throughout the site I stress how retail sales to plain customers are important. The whole point of my site is convince people you can't make money without the extra margin from retail sales. If you can sell the products you can make money! If you want to build a pyramid buying club, most will lose money.

 Dear Scott:

I visited your website where you've took a little personal and lashed out a bit at the Quixtar Business. It makes me so curious why anyone would go to such lengths to create such a lengthy website against "Quixtar".

Your negativity shines right thru you and you can only poison your soul more and more. Only shallow people like yourself would believe a person with no credibility or self esteem.

after reading some of your "believe-me-I'm telling-you-the-truth" stories, and after incredibly defending the Wal Mart's tooth and nail, a man would wonder if you were not paid handsomely to negative campaigning against Quixtar. Another explanation comes to mind is this: The Amway business is a real and serious business and it takes a real man/woman to do this business... Could it be a lashing out campaign from a little boy?

I really laughed and realized how limited and little your thinking was when I read this:
Quote.."The cost of a cassette tape is $0.65, ask them about the profit of $6.35 when they sell the tape for $7." Scott, If you are a producing human being of any kind, how much would your hour cost? You get my drift...I
guess not. Let me explain. If a Diamond spends 1 hour recording on a tape cassette (not mentioning any
editing or reediting or anything else) just one hour, I will it up to you to tell me how much that hour is worth. Could it be that you were a complete failure in this business and you took it personally.
One advice: (If you're married you will know this) You know how kids react and behave when you tell them to do something and just because you told them to do that, they would turn around and do the opposite. Here the same theory applies and I want to be the first in line to congratulate on a job well done and the business is doing great and greater every day and every body who's staying in the boat is getting rich and the you know what's happening to the people who are jumping off.
We are not permitted to advertise for this business, as may well you know. But thanks to you, you are doing the advertising for us. Anytime you say something about our business, no matter whether negative or positive, you are advertising for us. The majority of people are not that stupid and they exactly know what you're writing about and that will make their belief stronger than ever and they know who to believe and who NOT to believe, who's got credibility and who doesn't.

By the way, you'd better come up with a more compatible comparison (Wal Mart and Amway. They are two completely different business models. Wal MArt is not a Networking business. You cannot own a business with Wal Mart. You can with Amway or Quixtar. Everything at a price. Wal Mart is a great business, no doubt about that. It's a whole new ball game that is definitely not the league you belong to.
Let me Boldly clarify for you:

WAL MART IS A COUPON-CUTTING AND SAVING PLACE...NO FUTURE OR FINANCIAL FREEDOM WHATSOEVER. QUIXTAR IS A TRI-DIGITAL E-COMMERCE OPPORTUNITY THROUGH WHICH YOU CAN OWN A WEB-BASED BUSINESS...FINANCIAL FREEDOM.

I thought you would be more educated than for me to spell it out for you.

Just remember that "little knowledge is dangerous..."If you go with a half-cocked gun, it will never fire.

Ra Bou

Scott,

It's a shame you don't have a clue to what motivates the Quixtar IBO. And it's a shame you present your information as fact. I can't comment on anyone outside of the Yager organization, but the people I meet are absolutely wonderful. When we "show the plan" we certainly put a great emphasis on the dream. It's always been the dream that has made the difference in the world. The dream to be free, to fly, to seek a new world, etc. The dream motivates us to do something different than we currently are and by doing so we gain that which we do not have. As an IBO we present the business compendium and the business support material agreement. The prospects are fully aware what the average IBO makes a month.

I think becoming an Amway distributor and later a Quixtar IBO has been the single best decision I have ever made. I has enhanced my marriage, my Christian belief and my relationship with my children. It has also made me a more effective leader/manager in my fulltime position in the United States Military.

David

Reading through your site and find it interesting. Some things you all have wrote I find to be true in Quixtar ,but also they fall true in just about any area of life. Some I found to be fabricated storys by people with no desire to help themselves get out of their eveyday rut.I feel that nothing in life is easy and Quixtar is a way to help yourself out of the finacial and personal ruts we all dig for ourselves, sometimes without even knowing it until its to late, that we all are looking for. With very little work ,this plan works as fast as you want it to, unlike jobs.I know that you and the people who gave up are sure you are right, and to some extent you are, so I'm not trying to convince any different just stating one more oppinion.

Thanks for reading this

Steve

hi Scott,

Glad you got back to me.

yes I think you said it only works for a few.In Porland just this last weekend there was an F.E.D. major function and there were 100 times more than a few making more money than they did at their high paying jobs.ANYONE CAN DO THIS IF THEY SPEND JUST A FEW HOURS A WEEK SHARING IT WITH OTHER PEOPLE.Thats what I mean by very little work.At a job you will put in 40 to 80 hours a get a check that has a ceiling on it,now thats what I would call a piramid,not being able to pass anyone above you to become top dog,here you can and It's done all the time.

I got in to make an extra $200 to help with bills,on a disability $900 just won't do it anymore-know what I mean?-and in a year working at it less than 4 hours a week have doubled that,I know thats not much yet but I'm not a real go getter.So I feel it fair to say that it works to the degree that what you put in to it comes back to you.Its not fair to just say it doesn't work because it will unless you sit on your couch and throw a cataloge a whomever comes by that day. Nothing in life is easy or cheap(This is $100 to start up your own simple to run business and 2/3rds of that is products we use everyday)and a job is the worst way to try to get ahead,a few do but not to many I've met in my 43 years have done it.

Like I've said its not for everyone but then what is-to each their own,eh?

Thanks for listening-Hope it helps alittle to understand better

Steve

Hi Scott!
Read most of your thesis and find that you only have a thesis, I hav been a Amway Distributor for several years and hav found a cost savings and profit from the business I hav witnessed hundreds of people achieving financial independence and hav found it to be a very honest and proven business. Should you stop and think about pyramids buisness itself is a pyramid. The term I believe your looking for is franchising which I know you take part-in. So if it is okay for owners of franchises to profit from other people (yourself) then why not spent your time on your thesis showing how consumers as a hole hav been creating fortunes for owner of franchises. Same thing isn't it?? Don't bother returning an e-mail I only stumbled on to you web site and definitely will not return to it, because I know u hav false information presented. Just a thesis not the facts!!!

Scott,

I've got to admit, your goal of encouraging everyone to quit Quixtar is impressive, and funny at the same time. You mean you went to college, received all that knowledge so that you could spend the rest of your life in front of a computer screen chasing a lost cause, For Free?

Have you figured out yet that no matter how many people get involved, there will always be people who give up and quit " for whatever reason" and people who will succeed. It's very much like the real world, where people start a carreer, investing many years of time, energy, and money in hopes to succeed. What i've found to be true, even in the medical profession is that people often change carreer fields and jobs; searching, hoping for something better. Why is that?.

I honestly believe that there are no perfect jobs, perfect businessess, or even perfect people; only hope for the best life possible. I think you'll find a handful of people who will be loyal followers of you Scott, and maybe, just maybe some of the many fortune 500 companies that tie into this business will follow your wisdom too, but I think that overall the business which is posting incredible numbers on the web:( for example Nielson/net Ratings ranked Quixtar as the 7th "stickiest" shopping site accessed by web surfers at home. PC Data online ranked them as 5th among all shopping sites as measured by page views) will continue to grow and grow despite your endless efforts.

In taking a quick glance at your site, I most enjoyed the monkey's. You are indeed very smart and witty to. Theres only one puzzeling part to me. I did'nt see the part where you offered another business opportunity for people, or the link that quoted the opposite side of the coin. I mean, would'nt it be fair to allow people to express the good experiences that have come about through this business. Well, best of everything to you Scott. I'm sure that you will continue to play a huge roll for humanity, and maybe i'll read one day about how you singlehandedly foiled AMQUIX?, buy discourageing millions not to follow there dreams by taking the techniques and ideas you present on your site and reapplying them in their lives.

Hey! Thats funny, Does'nt that sound kind of like a cult?

What can I say but you are totally in the dark about Amway, Quixtar and any other buisness that is not filled with leveraging your home, selling your soul, buying stock as a gamble that you might make some money. You sound as if you are very jealous of a buisness model that has worked since 1959, as a matter of fact it seems that you have become incest with jealousy. How dare you even think that you know something about Amway or I.B.O.s if you haven't walked a mile in the shoes of even one of these people.

Sounds like sour grapes to me

Charles

You know Scott. I admire how you would really go out of your way to TRY and expose Quixtar / Amway. Doesnt it say in the bible? Judge not less ye be judged. What are you going to say to your heavenly father when he asks you why you tried for so many years to destroy something that brought hope and prosperity to so many? Yes I agree that many people have failed. Yet...did they really fail..or did they just give up. You know, nobody ever said that this business is easy. Nobody ever said that your family/friends would approve. But lets compare this business with starting up any business. What, you dont think that if you tried starting your own business that you wouldnt be laughed at by some of your friends. That just maybe, some of your family wouldnt approve. Of course not. Negative, derogatory it all is

a price to the road to success. All companys like this that have the "network marketing" model have been laughed at. Amway, Quixtar, Herbalife and many others. Amway took a hit in 1979 buy the FTC which they won the case to prove that Amway was a legal, moral and ethical way to make money.

Herbalife took a hit by the FTC in the 1980's. Which nearly wiped them out. But now look at them. They are goin strong. Making millions a year. But now lets look at Quixtar. What about Quixtar...its just turned a year old and already you want to make fun of it. Well just take a look at the statistics. 100million in 100 days. 250million in 200 days. Site was overwhelmed by more than 20million hits the first day. Cmon...you cant tell me all that is bull. Pick up September's issue of Success magazine. Pick up I belive Septembers issue of Network Marketing. Why dont you talk to Frank Feather, author of Future Consumer.com A reknown futurist and economist. Ask him why him and his company predict that by the year 2010 that only 5 companies will be competing for the entire retail market. Those company's include Wal mart, Aol-TimeWarner, Amazon.com, Quixtar, and Webvan. Mr. Feather dont even have any affiliation with Quixtar. But he knows the facts. Either way you like it....Network Marketing and Quixtar are here to stay.

You should ask yourself about new trends and new business models. All models in the beginning took the share of negative. One quick example. Franchising~! A model that SO many people thought was a scam. So much so that it was 10 votes away from being outlawed by Congress. Now look at it. 800billion dollar a year industy. LOL.

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Lmao. Just a quick reply. You know Network Marketing is a relatively new concept online. Obviously AT&T, MCI, and now even Avon think its the way to go. I agree that Amway is a big factor in Quixtar. Hell, if I founded Amway and started Quixtar I would also be offering my original products in Quixtar. Listen, Quixtar products may seem overpriced, some are I agree. SO DONT BUY IT! I get my 100 points like the plan says. But I only have a 2 person family so I dont do a 100PV in my household. SO I talked to a few family members. And no that is not scamming off my family and friends. I didnt force anybody. I just recommended a good product. Just because it was manufactured by Amway doesnt mean it was the worst fuckin product in the world. Online shopping doesnt always mean the lowest prices in town. You also have to way convenience, quality, and other means. Only money tight people like you that clip coupons and look for every means to save a penny or two have a problem with the prices. Why the fuck do you think people go out of their way to buy high priced items. Pay 100 dollars for a dinner plate. Spend 500 dollars a night in hotels when Motel 6 is across the street. There are several factors that come into play. And if spending 200 dollars to get 100 points is a profit loss. Then go sponsor a few wide and a few depth. Now your making 200 dollars. What are you losing then. Oh wait...there are tapes, books, seminars. You know....if people quit focusing on that shit as an expense and look at it as more as an investment then we wouldnt have a problem. Anyways...I shall pray for your soul because you will burn in hell for not believing in the Lord. I feel sorry for you. I can see why you are so negative and that you would spend so much of your time so try and tear a business down.

Oh well, thanks for all your wonderful input.

We$

 Dear Scott:

Isn't it funny that those who know the least, say it the loudest. If you get this far, congratulations as usually those that spew negativity out cannot face what they sow.

It must be very lonely and sad living with yourself, hiding behind a website and email. I am sure if you published your resume on the web site along with employers comments, we would find that there is an exacting corroboration between your attitude and success (or lack there of)and how you try to destroy others hope and belief in themselves.

I am sure you also are "enlightening" all students in the world about how textbooks and professors cost money.....why even the company you worked for made money. Oh, and do not forget to inform McDonalds and Microsoft and any other company that has a "system", and of course their employees, that someone is making money off them. EVERY education in the world costs money and the tools IBO's have access too are the cheapest most effective education that can be had, and those that are part of the production are ENTITLED to it as those of use who are DOERS are able to build businesses when there was NO OTHER OPTIONS.

In your effort to abuse personal freedom of expression on the web, an by somehow losing perspective on how everything else in life works, you are going to send people to the poor house. Is that a positive result?

But hey that is okay, because damn-it if you have a poor self image and obviously no self-esteem, then you can only get that by sucking others down too.

I was only given your email and was regretably not able to go to your web site, but then I have seen a swaztika before.

Sincerely,

Michael Brennan, CA brennan_m36@hotmail.com

 I just came across your website. I would like to know why you are so bitter toward Amway and Quixtar? Obviously it works, they are 100% debt free and have an excellent business plan? May I ask how long you were in Amway and or Quixtar? Who was your upline diamond? I just can't believe that since someone fails they have to try to convince the whole world that it "just doesn't work". We believe 100% in Quixtar. We will never quit.

As I read your website, I felt sorrow for you. I realized that your dreams were not strong enough to stand for the work you must put into the business. If you want anything in life, you must be willing to do what it takes, not take the scape goat.

We wish you well, and hope that your dreams and goals do come true some course of means

Sir, it is not your business what our income is and will never be. Suffice it to say, we are doing quite well, and is only getting better. Though, I will admit that the money is not my driving force in this business. It is the chance to reach many lives that I would otherwise not be able to touch; to give them hope in a world that is hard to get hope. Because of putting people first, the Lord is blessing our business 10 fold. I pray that the Lord will touch your heart, so that you may also care for your fellow man. It is hard to care for other people when you so willingly put down peoples dreams and goals. (To which you are doing).

I also feel that no matter what the odds are, if your goals in life are big enough, you could use anything at your disposal, and still be successful. So, yes, if your goals are big and you do not let anyone steal them from you, can become quite successful in this business.

To mention people outside of this business that had similar situations: Albert Einstein, Jeff Bezos, Bill Gates, Thomas Edison, and the list goes on. They all had goals and dreams and ambissions. Because they were willing to do what it takes and struggle and put money into their endeavors (yes, you will have to put money into tools in this business as well-all businesses do-and those businesses have to get their tools from someone, so they are making someone else residual income-it is a fact of life. You do have to be willing to change your thinking to be successful, and the tapes, books, and seminars get you there.) Because all of these men were willing to put it all on the line, they were able to reach their goals. They don't have a regret, for not searching out their dreams. DO YOU? I think that is where the basis of this site. You didn't get your dream (for whatever you weren't willing to do), so you feel it is needed to put the business down, when in fact the answer is in your heart and soul. You are not willing to see that it is something within you, so you push it outward. Isn't that the way society teaches us to do?-That is the reason for the tapes and books and seminars, so we may learn from our mistakes, so we can change our faults, so we can see what is possible if we are WILLING TO.

May the Lord touch your heart,

the first thing that comes to mind when I read your site is your not a very nice person. Maybe you wake up every morning thinking how you can steal someone else's dreams. Why not let our free enterprise system live on like this country intended to be. Maybe my spelling is not so good and I must say you sure did your homework, to want to show such criticism and to be so negative. What does this have to do with using some of the best products on the market today. Maybe the media didn't tell you about any one product And the founding fathers of this business felt compelled to find a way to feed their family during the struggles they faced and putting up with the nay-sayers of the world. In your case the dream stealer. You found some rosy ex-distributors to market your " I hate you" group. While people like me like to share this opportunity with others. Funny you never mention GOD & COUNTRY, FREE SPEECH, DUPLICATION, FREE ENTERPRISE, ECT; ECT; Like the distributor that had no education that was doing a board plan one night hours away from home. He was finishing up the plan on the board & easel writing out the plan and showing the numbers and misspelling every word on the board and turned around to his audience and saying " If y'all don't get into this business y'all retarded". Guess how many signed up that night? And what was going through the children's mind that were listing to their daddy down stairs showing this plan. My daddy is really stupid, he embarrasses me, I wish he was dead, I can't wait to run away from home! Sounds like things you might have said when you were growing up. Maybe you should consider living in a place that takes away the freedom you seem to take for granted. I guess the spread of this business throughout the world will cause us to be hated as much as you hate people who are in this business.

I hope that you may someday be proud of the person who wants to get ahead in life no matter what vehicle they may choose. At least this business allows you the choices to help others to succeed in order for you to succeed. Not everyone can afford a McDonalds, or a Wal-Mart. For a price of a pair of shoes you can own your own business. Who offers that? My up-line would have a fit if I told them I was even writing this letter to you. I wonder what would Christ do if his enemies had treated him with respect; honor; love; and submission; to his ways. Their wouldn't be people like you to criticize and condemn. I'd sure like to sponsor you into the business, I'm in a great line of sponsorship. And we are very proud of what we do. Helping people help themselves.

I have been in just over a year and the first year I did nothing, but now we are working the business (Quixtar) and loving every minute of it.

If I never make a dime it is fine with me. I want my kids to grow up around the people I associate with in this business. They are positive, ethical, humble people. Your comment that Zig Ziglar is in the motivational business and we are in Amway is silly. What is this business about?? It is a people business, and Quixtar is a vehicle. And by the way, in certain groups the tools are going to profit sharing just like any other product in the business.

How many people can afford to go out and buy a McDonald's? And how many can afford to wait for it to turn a profit? Let's take a look at % there. How many people that actually do buy a McDonald's are better people (personal growth wise) in five years?

I think it is a lot easier to walk away from $106.53 you pay for a distributorship then the $1 million you pay for a McDonald's. I would agree that over 50% of people walk away from Amway, they point out when you sign up that the average IBO makes $88/month. So what you are saying is that it is better not to try then it is to make a honest effort at becoming a better person and possibly becoming financially free? Do you have children? If so make sure they never play sports! How many kids dream of becoming professional players in the NBA and NFL?

How many quit before making it? How many spend 6-8 hours per day training for the Olympics to finish at the trials outside of the medals and never make the games? Should we tell them they are all crazy to try? What is the return for their time on a per hour basis? Your whole approach is sorry at best. You have made a crusade out of slamming a business you clearly know very little about. You throw numbers around like you are the only authority on it. You ask us not to call you a dream stealer, but I wonder how many people you have discouraged from reaching their potential in Quixtar. How many people come out of college thinking they are armed with everything they need to succeed in life, knowledge and the ability to work hard, and find that is not the way it works out there. You have to have people skills. This business teaches that. You claim to point out the incentive to abuse the tapes and that is all. I beg to differ with you there. You make such a huge issue out of it, and never address that everyone in your upline will tell you that the system is not a requirement from them it is a requirement of income. You can meet the people that devour the system and they are the money makers in the business. If you truely understood the business then you would know that. Also you fail to really understand the payment system. When someone tells you they are getting a $4000/month, the downline payments have already been made. There no longer is the requirement for the upline to pay the downline.

Everyone's check comes from Quixtar. And in January when I start receiving my PV/BV on my tools, I will remember your e-mail response and laugh. I feel sorry for anyone stupid enough to believe what you put in your site.

The best thing about this business that you will not find in any corporate world job is that everyone will bend over backwards to help you. No one is climbing over your back to get ahead. If you feel you did not get your money's worth at a conference, they will give your money back. Print that in your web site!

Dear Sir,

I don't usually bother answering thinks about Amway or Quixtar because in most cases people have not done there homework and just shot their mouth off. But I do feel compelled to write to you on one issue. You stress the issue of the prices of Amway and Quixtar prices. That tells me right there why you could not make it. You see while many will tell you that is it is a business and not coupon clipping etc.: that is not the whole story because if you would have got of your butt sponsored at least to active legs (not people who sit home and watch TV ) you would have been running at least 3% and up more than your group which in return would give you a check back at the end of the month for more than what you had paid out. You can not buy cheaper than that at Wal-Mart. And yes this is fair to all as everyone who gets off their butt can do the same thing. So don't criticize Quixtar and Amway making it harder for IBO's like myself, when it all boils down to you did not have what it takes to build the business and now your sore.

You see I was where you quit and I did not, now each month my products are covered. So instead of just posting negative letters on your site post letters like this with the truth.

 Hi,

If CHARLIE SCHMITZ give up his amway business. And was and I still think he is stll a diamond , he sold his amway business to his dad and mom. Why would he give up 70% of his business ( THE TAPE BUSINESS ) and just let it go down the drain. And far as The 30% off you save. I DO SAVE alot more than that if i keep my wive and kids out of one of the wal-mart or k-marts or any kind of > MART < store. If they go in there 3 to 5 times less a month i WILL SAVE A TON of MONEY. AND YOU KNOW THAT .They go in to buy some >> everyday STUFF << thinking thats all and YOU know what happens . The $10 to $20 all of a sudden is $100.00 THERE is Know impulse buying here in Quixtar. NONE. DIEHARD QUIXTAR MAN

 Scott-

I just wanted to add that people who think that it's impossible to get their 100PV for only $200 need to learn about what they get paid to shop for. Any truly business minded person knows that if you only have $200-250 to spend on the site a month to earn your points, you don't do it buying toilet paper and kitty litter!

Here is an example order of 100PV within $200-250 with A good BV/Pv Ratio. I even included the SKUs for you!

Qty. SKU Description

1 E-9973 ACTIVE8 Beverage Crystals, Concord Grape, Case

1 WE-7391 SA8 TRIZYME Solutions

1 A-9619 ARTISTRY Sheer Honey Lip Colour

1 A-9614 ARTISTRY Sheer Berry Lip Colour

1 A-4878 ARTISTRY Amber Peach Powder Blush

1 WA-0244 NUTRILITE DOUBLE X Refill Packettes

1 WA-5688 NUTRILITE Kids CHewable Multivitamin

1 WE-3951 PURSUE Toilet bowl Cleaner

1 WE-5017 ARTISTRY Moisture Tich Skin Care System

1 WE-9532 GLISTER Sweet Shot Breath Spray

1 WE-5095 SATINIQUE Extra Design Styling Gel

1 WE-8148 MAGIC FOAM Carpet Cleaner 21oz.

Total PV= 100.65 BV= 254.10 $201.70

$2.00/PV 2.52PV/BV

This was part of my order this month and these are products I actually use. I buy my kitty litter at the commissary....it makes better business sense. As with all matters, common sense prevails. If the $/PV and the BV/PV ratios aren't very good and you don't have an unlimited budget.....go elsewhere.

Only those who choose not to educate themselves on the best products to get paid for and profit from have trouble in this area. And if you don't take the time to educate yourself on how to make the system to best work for you, then you have no one but yourself to blame when you fail.

How dare you!!!

 I am a Quixtar Affiliate, and I am ashamed to know that someone like you would have been in a business as wonderful as ours. Lives have been changed and people have become financially taken care of because of this great opportunity. People like you are a hurting our nation because you take the dreams away from those who have them. I hope and pray that people would pay no attention to you and your dream stealing words. I for one would love to see you in person and show you the true meaning of business ownership, the true meaning of loyalty. Just remember that the American dream is far bigger than you could ever be and I for one know that the Quixtar revolution will grow and continue to grow for years to come.

Isn't it interesting how you conveniently have no negative comments on your Internet site? Isn't it convenient that you can take the 1st Amendment and skew it so only the comments you like are making it to your site?

Are you trying lure people away from Quixtar or Amway? It isn't going to happen. All of your statistics, charts, and comparisons doesn't mean anything to 95% of the people. You can have the other 5%. Most/all of the people that agree with you more than likely wanted something for nothing in these businesses. Quixtar and Amway both appeal to these type of people. How many people in the U.S. have minimum wage jobs? How easy is it for these two businesses to match there incomes? Very easy. There 250 million people in the U.S. that doesn't know or care about your site. I have many reasons to disagree with almost everything you say(sorry, no statistics for you to compare). One reason is that my whole family is involved, including my mom. She works very hard with nothing to show for it. I want her to have something nice in her lifetime, so until you show me another way, you have no credibillity to me wha

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You are so smart(like me). I am only 20 years old and probably know as much about business opportunities as you. Statistics and opions along with other information is very, very easy to come by. It is how you use that knowledge given to you. I am proud to say that I will be a millionaire before I am 30. I don't really care what the statistics say I will or will not do. Sites like this make me try harder. If someone is skeptical about this business, they will be skeptical about others too. Some people want to make money quick with no time or money investment. These people will work for someone the rest of their lives. I am not that way. One important thing you have not realized is how many people love the products and in Quixtar the convience of shopping online. They don't even have to care about making an extra income. I only need approximately $6200 in my entire group (6 wide, 5 deep) to bring in $770 per month(after payroll). I don't care who you are, that is not very hard to do, unless you want something for nothing. In that case, go buy a lottery ticket. Please crunch my numbers. If you really, really knew about this business being open minded, you would have never made this site.

Reading some of your information and a lot of it makes me wonder what is your problem with what you should know is the best business opportunity of the future.

I've been a IBO since August and I don't experience any of these problems. Yes, like any business there is the statement "You must spend money to make money" I currently own a residential remodeling bus. & over the past few years I have to spend money in things like "TOOLS" inorder to do my work faster and more efficiently. The same things goes with Quixtar or any other business. As for the $200 100 PV anybody should know that because this is a sister company of Amway that the products in this catagory would give you this $200 100PV I even tell people that in my plan.

Hey your missing the point of the business. Create a business. An average household will spend more than $200 on anything they need per month but the issue is that you build the business. Quit trying to find little things wrong because you may have failed. Maybe you failed because you gave up. People will find anything possible to say the business is fake because they don't want to appear to others that they gave up/quit so they push the blame on the business instead of putting the blame where it belongs..."SELF" Theres nothing wrong about Quiting but people should not blame others for there problems. People should look in the mirror.

I've been in for what about 3 months and doing very, very well and growing fast. Get back on and try, follow the system.

Respond I would really like to know your story from you not you web site. What really made you quit . Were you in the business?

Dear Scott,

I am a Amway Distributor and just found your site. It's interesting reading. Some of it I agree with and some of it I don't, but that's neither here nor there.

I haven't scoured the site to see everything on it, so you may have this information already. I just wanted to give you this one tidbit that maybe won't help anything other than possibly explain why there are so few "big pins". When people talk about the percentage of distributorships that make it to Diamond, for instance, you have to look back at the original plan to see that it has to be a small percentage.

Only 1% of distributors will ever make it to Direct.

Why? Because it takes a group of about 100 people to become a Direct. You have to create the group, or recruit 100 distributors before you're a direct.

Possibly even more because as you know, if they don't buy any products, no volume is earned. But, we'll stick to the 100 people. So, you're one Distributor among 100 others, or, 1%.

So if only 1% make it to direct, only 0.3% will make it to Emerald. Why, because you have you create 3 Directs, which will each have about 100 people in their group, so you're one Distributor out of 300 or 0.3%.

Continuing on, only 0.17% will make it to Diamond, because to be a Diamond you have to create 6 Directs, which will each have about 100 people in their group. So you're one Distributor out of 700 or 0.174%.

These are small numbers. As you can see, it's not a fault of the plan, it's just logical. Anyone who thinks it's not fair that such few people should make, aren't living in the real world. There's only one president at the company where I work and there are thousands of employees there. To be the president at my company, I'd have to prove that I was better at it than anyone else in the world. You don't have to do that in Amway, you just create you own group. It's a lot of work to create those groups. Nothing should come without hard work. The people in Amway don't say it's easy. They do say it's simple, but not easy. It's work.

Some background on me: I've been in Amway for almost 10 years. I'm not currently active in the business nor do I really see myself ever making it because I don't have the desire to do the work involved. I still occasionally attend the functions because I really enjoy the positive atmosphere. I feel it's been very beneficial to me in my career life as well as my every-day life. I've also made some really great friends in the business and will treasure them always.

Feel free to use any of the information. I just ask that you not use my name.

Hi Scott, I appreciate the time you took to collect and analyze your data. There are many things you state that are true. However, I do have a problem with the context in which they are said. I have experienced all the "losses" you state, but when I analyze not just the activity I have had, but where I put that activity; I found where the losses came from. I am the only one to blame for any losses. I know that this sounds "brainwashed", but I can assure you that I am far from that. I hate fluff and hype and prefer the facts. Facts, however, have a perspective depending on the size of the picture. Consider this, I am 4 in depth from my upline Emerald. I have known this man since he was 15 yrs old. He is 26 today. Two levels above me there is a couple who sponsored two people. One today is a qualifying Platinum, as seen by the fact that there was no lag between Gold Producer and Platinum. I am the 2500 PV outside volume for the couple 2 above me. This "leg" is already "over" for my upline Emerald, and none of the profit from my business passes up to my Emerald. Also, when I went over 2500, not only does none of the differential volume pass up to my Emerald, but a portion of the 4% bonus on the other leg gets cut off as well. The people 2 above me make approximately 1000 per month and do absolutely nothing. With these being the FACTS, why does my emerald fly from Halifax to Calgary every month to help me? He sees none of the profit from that, and in fact loses some of the profit from the other leg. You have some very legitimate concerns about the people in this business, some are very bad. Others are not. For example, if it takes 2 years to reach Platimum, that is approximately $30,000 spent by my upline emerald on plane tickets. Oh and trust me, I am aware of how the Tool Rebate system works in my organization, and there is Nowhere near enough profit there, to pay for those tickets.

Why does he do this for me? Include the TRUTH that my wife and I get alongfar better than we ever have, even in a "Negative Sum" business. I have had some very long talks with my Emerald and he had told me flat out, that lack of integrity is what spits many higher pins out of this business, and what that pin is means nothing; whether we take that path or not, is our own choice. Understand my position, I have you, who has never invested a dime into "me", and I have my emerald, who invests thousands, into me; who would you listen to?!

PS: Please do not restate your mathematical numbers, as you do in so many other rebuttals, and just respond as a person. I am not one of the hot tempered AMDROIDS, I am just a guy speaking from his heart.

Much appreciation

After one year in Quixtar, my numbers don't match yours, at all! Me and my wife's monthly "tools" run about $100. We have found that the products are Excellent, and superior to others (especially the Artistry). I chuckled when I read the 6-4-2 explanation and watched how the numbers were skewed.

I have been in Real Estate Sales for many years, we pay much more for books and tapes than the horrendous $6.00 per tape. But the most important thing I have found, in any business, is the attitude and determination of the individual. That is why the dropout rate is 50%, many people don't work at a business. The dropout rate in Real Estate is higher than that. Good luck with your 'thesis', but I have been finding that it works for us, and the majority of the people that use our products love them, and realize value is not only in the price.

Are you aware that those numbers have to be approved by the government before they were made available on those slides? I Believe if there were any discrepancies in the slides that the government officials that reviewed it would have picked it up. I believe the government's math before yours. And to judge the business by the failure rate, and the rate of "quitters" is not an accurate way of determining the business' effectiveness. With an average of 30,000 new IBO's per month making next to nothing in their first month, there would have to be a considerable amount of IBO's already making large sums of money to raise the average as high as it is ($88). And with the Amway/Quixtar opprotunity dealing entirely with people and the motivation(or lack there of) to succeed in this business or in life in general, you cannot simply look at the numbers to see the success rate. You cannot force a person to succeed, that's why there are so many failures in every area of life in this country...this business is no different That rate is life. In comparison to many high income proffessions such as the law or medical field, Quixtar, I'm sure, has comperable, if not better odds of success. With a lower investment. If you look at all the different options to make the type of income that Quixtar/Amway provides, you'd see that you put in less time and capital of any. I feel that you have a moderate grasp on the entire concept, but rely too much on numbers to tell the story. Life is more than numbers.

And for the income from the system rather than the products. I'm sure You know the numbers that we did in our first year. But are you aware that The Amway/Quixtar corporation is only legally allowed to take 51% of the income and distribute the rest to it's affiliated IBO's. If just the Quixtar site made $518 million, not counting it's partner stores, and that makes up only $20% of the income in this business, I can't imagine how much we'd be making off of the tools. IBO's do not make profit from the tools they distribute, maybe the IBO's that you talked to, but that is not how business is done thru my line of sponsorship. I am in Bill Britt's group. The tapes are $6.60 anywhere you go, I have 4 uplines at tool pickup and they get no "middleman cut" out of distributing the tapes and books.

I feel that you have been misinformed about some of the topics that you have on this site. I wish you the best in whatever you do, but misinformation will not get you a good reputation on the net.

Tony

Wow...you are quite a guy! Well, researched. You can knock a successful outfit pretty well. Suggest you listen to Carillo, Foley, Dornan, plus quite a few others. Most students entering any college quit. How come, do you suppose? Very few people starting with HP make CEO. How come, do you suppose? Most aspiring writers do not sell like Grisham. Wonder why.

Way to go

Hi Scott,

My name is Dan Atkinson, and I've been a Quixtar IBO for about six months now. I did a search and found your site, and thought it was quite interesting. I must be in that lower 50% that renewed this year, and the 30 people in my downline must be too. I don't know about Amway, but my wife and I have been having phenomenal success with our Quixtar powered business. I guess we're just naive enough to believe what there telling us is true. I believe that it takes longer than 2-5 years like you say, but what if it did take 10? What if it takes 20? Wouldn't the lifestyle they lead still be worth it? It would be to me, and my wife. Our upline platinum lives in a town of about 200 people, and he's making 3 to 4 thousand a month. Here is an interesting quote that I heard on David Letterman... That Donald Trump said.

David : "Donald what would you do if you lost everything and had to start all over?"

Trump : "I'd start a Multi-Level Marketing business."

The Crowd Laughed.

Trump waited for the laughter to calm and said :

"That's why I'm up here and your down there."

Even if everything you said is true, I think I will take my chances with this business. If anything the tapes, and books, have made me and my wife far better people. Also I've met some of the neatest people doing this. People that I may have never met otherwise. I've made friends that can't be replaced, and I have an upline that truly cares about me. Thank you for your time.

Sincerely,

(IBO was asked for the date of the Letterman show, but never wrote back)

You are so full of s___, your web page almost doesn't deserve a response!!!!!!!

Scott

I appreciate your kind gesture. This country reserves the right to free speech. I'm sure you have your reasons for your thought process. I am a self made person who comes from a mediocre family and always had people steal my dream. They always told me I was never going to be a somebody. To me, it became a challange to suceed in life. I own and operate conventional businesses. In my years of experience, being BOSS, I have worked with people who want something for nothing. These are the people who dont have the gutts to step out and be their own boss yet criticize and complain about their employer. This is the same individual who risked his or her resources time etc.

etc. to get into business and employ them because they had a dream. Now I'm sure you are a Business man yourself (I hope), and have a mission in life. I'm sure you do have the gutts to take advantage of this free enterprize system, so tell you what, write me what your passion in life is. Again, like I said in my previous correspondence this is for you only, but hey this is a free country so do what you have to.

Being in business for yourself means 1. creating jobs and incomes for non-dreamers, gutless wonders, because in my accurete observation dreamers are never for hire. 2. Create profit, spend it well and get taxed on the money that is left over. 3. Everyone except the dreamers are BOUGHT for a price.

You have to try at least once to be able to have slaves at your beck and call, now dont feel sorry for these gutless wonders, they CHOSE to be in the kiss ass position by sending that resume.

Don't forget to write about your passion.

The American Boss

I am one of those $30,000.00 a year CAR salesman that use to make$75,000.00 in the Nuclear Industry!!!

I am getting ready to quit my job in the next month or so because of QUIXTAR!!!

My monthly income is starting to get VERY CLOSE to what I made in the nuclear field!!! And I am only working 15 to 20 hours a week instead of 72 to 84 hours a week like I did in the past!

You need to check your information before you put such information out on a public system like the internet.

You asked," Can you elaborate a little more on the time input by those family friends who you see as earning money from the business?" and I can say yes they do. My grandparents friends who are in the business can afford to spend the time because, as one of them has told me," It’s fun, you meet more people and it is something to do." Now, in regards to the time spent. They average, based on the individual response, about 4-6 hrs/ person for 5 days. Together, their average is 10-16 hrs/day in a 5 day work week. Why the increase? Even I could not understand why. These figures are from discussions with them when I first started.

You are really negative and TOTALLY misinformed!!! Just because it takes some EFFORT, and not everyone gets in, IT WORKS, at least for ME!!! A company thats been around for over40 years, almost as long as General Motors, HAS TO BE DOING SOMETHING RIGHT!!!!

I found your site interesting, but like many subjects, such as politics, there are many sides to each story. My own experience with Quixtar...

The group I work with is made up of real people who are doing the best they can, but are only human. This goes from the newest IBO to the Crown Ambassadors.

While some details/arguments you present are true, there is the obvious "larger picture". Even the Emeralds who complain and show the reasons given to reject their "publication" - the reasons made perfect sense to me. Amway/Quixtar has "freelancers" so their actions must have some regulations in order to prevent these very things that are being complained about - typically misrepresentation of the true nature of the

business.

I was confused and did not understand what it was all about in the beginning - but I can't really blame the IBO's who gave the presentations...it was my own laziness at not thinking it out carefully and researching as they suggested.

Is there anything that has to do with the transfer of money that does not have disgruntled people? Nothing I know of. There are some basic concepts that ring true though.

(1) You can have a web-based business at an extremely low "entry price".

(2) The (optional) support materials - tapes/books/amvox/seminars/functions/hotel opens/etc serve an extremely valuable purpose.The subjects covered are good for any business and life in general. Their prices are always less than a comparable product on the open market. (Check out the Fred Pryor tapes & seminars). They are essential for "duplication" and continuing education & motivation. I have personally witnessed people's lives change for the better by using these tools, especially the seminars.

(3) Every speaker I have ever heard has stressed that you get out of the business what you put into it. How hard would you work to create a long-term residual income? We are all working pretty hard to just "get by". The actual hours you need to put into the business depends on your skill levels and ability to learn - some naturally do better than others. Those with sales/marketing experience have a definite advantage (they do in any business).

(4) Having a system that gives rewards for meeting goals (pin levels/bonuses) is smart - it fosters those who truly work hard and lays out a clear path to success. Recognition builds self-esteem & belief (in

further success) and creates desire to be recognized(motivation to work harder) in those that fall short.

(5) Not everybody succeeds in everything they try. But it is obvious that success is possible in this business OPPORTUNITY (not guarantee) for those who continue to learn and work smarter - and don't quit! (quitters never win)

(6) I used to get excited about saving small amounts of money on products because I have always been poor. But if I want to do something to change my "poverty consciousness", I have to change my thinking and my actions. If you feed something, it will grow. People who do not see the value in the business they have entered into will never be successful in that business, no matter what it is. I enjoy the idea of shopping with a self-interest. I spend much less money now because I don't go into those mass marketing stores where I will inevitably "impulse shop", buying something I don't really need because the price is sooo cheap. (In "Rich Dad, Poor Dad", it is encouraged that you invest your time & money in the present for a future reward). It's based on the same idea as the "food coops" from the 1960's-70's - it is a membership buying club.

(7) Upline counseling - we are dealing with real people-individuals- so some are more effective than others. It's just like anything in life...for example...if you get a bad professor in a University class, switch sections or take the class next quarter instead. It just so happens I work with an incredible group of people who are highly successful in this business. That doesn't mean I have never made mistakes or they are all saying exactly the same thing. But I can tell you that the more I learn, the more I like and appreciate the business(Quixtar). I too was highly suspicious about these pricey items-vitamins, skin care, etc-but I tried them out. I now know from my own experience that these are excellent products and I highly prefer them to their equivalent on the open market. Do you know how many people buy "high-end" products without the blink of an eye? Check out any department store (like Gottschalks/Mervyns/Macys/etc.) and you will find a wide range of prices for the same items (like dresses, earrings, watches, shoes...). Obviously, people must be paying higher prices for what they want/like even when they have the choice of something cheaper in close proximity!

Obviously, this business is not for everyone. Our team never encourages a person to be an IBO unless they are motivated.

Well, I could go on longer but it's very late (yes, those who don't needmuch sleep do better running their own business).

If you are really interested in exploring these concepts, I'd be glad to have further conversations. If this site is just an ego-booster for you, or a hobby, then you probably are not interested in my thoughts. Your choice.

Melody R

Silver Level IBO ( in the Biz since March 2000)

Mr. Scott Larsen

I can totally understand your frustration and bitternes about the quixtar business. I have had the same experience in the past. I invested good money, lost my reputation and then I felt horrible when I quit the business. Now I don't know what to do for a living, I am homeless and very depressed. Failure in the business has brought me a low self image and now I got divorced. In order to get revenge and feel better about myself I have utilized the success strategies I learned from tapes, books and meetings to campaign negative thoughts about the quix-amway business. I have put banner ads all over, and I too have a web-page. Please feel free to visit and send me your comments.

www.forlosserswholosttheirdream/with/amway/and/quixtar.html

By the way I was a M.D. Psychologist from Berkely University.

Respectfully,

Scott loosersen

 Hey Scott, some great feedback from some people. My question is do you ever post any good feedback at all. If there is no positive feedback, that's pretty sad. I have had a great experience, not easy, but great.

First, Quixtar and Amway are two different companies. They are both owned by the same corporation, not like Amway is small, $7 Billion a year and in 80+ countries.

Quixtar just did $518 Million its first year, not bad. Just for your information, there are different teaching organizations and I am involved with INA and can't speak for the other organizations. INA is the personal touch and Quixtar is the high tech part of the picture.

In a larger picture, this is like everything else. I guess it just depends on what you compare it to Scott. You have to work hard, it's not just about "recruiting" through E-mail. It's really about digging down with people about where they want to be and MAYBE this is a fit, maybe not.

The tapes and books are necessary because life has a way of picking you off and you need to be able to pick yourself back up. Scott, it's about putting positive input into yourself. Any successful CEO constantly talks about continuing education.

I appreciate people's feedback just think that most people in our out of Quixtar are not willing to pay the price for success. As for the BDS ( business development system) system, it is voluntary, like books in college, it's just unlikely you will be able to manage a large nation-wide business and support it ALL on your own.

I personally don't quit and am moving forward. When people find out that sacrifices are made to further their success, sometimes it's too much. For me, I have tripled my income to $150K, I say that to make a point, not brag, since I have been part of the BDS system for close to 4 years. Most people want a guarantee before they put the work in Scott. The visionaries saw the future before it happened.

Quixtar will be one of the few left standing after the dust settles and we have a good shot at $1 Billion this year.

I appreciate you taking the time to read my thoughts;

Mike

how do u explain all the sucessful people in the business? its easy to whine and complain about the people who quit at the first setback. I work with people who are 4000pins, platinums and emeralds. What a sad site............... or maybe you encourage people to stay in the rut system for the rest of their life

Dear Scott

Why so many people quit? because they dont know what they want in their life and expect everything handed to them without much effort....ur buddy who wrote u said it took him 7 years to get a 200 something check. He never developed the people skills necessary to attract people...if u cant attract people, u will NEVER have a big business. And showing 200 plans in 7 years? That works out to 2.38 plans/ month...The business recommends at least 15 per month if you want to make any money. 10-15 hours/ week? If his plans shown are any indication he actually did the loop around maybe 1 hr/ week at the most........ Anyone can succeed at this business, all u need is determination and faith in ur abilites and ur ability to change. What makes the business work is W.O.R.K.

Sure the tool system costs money. But how much do u put a value on your personal development? Is it worth $20, $100 or maybe $1000 dollars. possibly a million? If you know how much having a positive attitude and changing ur outlook on life is worth please let me know. For you it sounds like it isnt worth very much. I take more value in myself. Even if I never sponsored a soul and never made any money, I would still be in the business and still participate in the tool system..It's invaluable.

And by the way, I wasn't looking to debate this at all, just wanted to comment on your website and your "crusade" to rescue the mindless souls from the brainwashing Amway business. We obviously have different views about the business, so why argue about it. You were looking for comments and feedback on your website, so here you go.

One more thing, Amway exists to MAKE money, not SAVE it. If you want to save money go to Costco and clip your coupons out of the paper.

Have a great day

To tell you the truth Scott, I don't make money from the tools, I make money from buying from myself and helping others do the same..

And best wishes is not needed to make the business work, but thank you very much anyways. You are so kind. When I'm free of my job I will drop by and see how you are doing.....in 3-4 years or so.......

Have a good life

Allan

 Dear Sir,

First of all, to attack a company and it's team of people as you have done is to attack the very system of free enterprise. I live in a free country. My ancestors fought in WWI, WWII, and currently serve in places like Rwanda, Croatia, Bosnia and Cyprus. If you were to put 100 men in a line and told them they could volunteer to go to war, it is unlikely you would get many. Of those you got, few could make the grade and even fewer would be heroes. So, is what you are saying is that we should not try?

Twenty years ago, I was involved in the Amway business. I was not a pleasant experience. I would mention the line of sponsorship but that would play into your hands. About a year ago I became involved in the Quixtar model. Admittedly, it is similar to the Amway model, but with several exceptions. The current line of sponsorship I am in is one of total support. I am not pressured to do anything or buy anything I do not need. I am given the best of advice-(including being told that the advice I need should be given by someone better qualified, like an accountant). I have never felt the least bit uncomfortable about not reaching my goals because my upline is more than ready to be cheerleaders rather than pushers. My point is very simple...if you choose to become a business person you must accept the fact that you may be a very bad business person. I agree with you that one should research and become familiar with the business. I also agree that you should develop your own business plan. However, you must realize that the reason you have never seen a Macdonald's franchise fail is that the applicants are not offered anything---they are interviewed for their aptitude. Quixtar and other MLM's don't do this because of their relatively low level entry cost and the fact that at worst they have access to products at reduced cost.

I feel sorry, truly, for those people who have had bad experiences with Quixtar, or Amway for that matter. But when I here someone complaining about how they didn't make a fortune overnight, or how it cost them some money to be involved, or, how someone said this and it wasn't true...I have to ask myself this question: "Is it possible we have the world's first living brain donor here?".

Certainly you have some semi-valid testimonials on your website. That is the great thing about the web is that any Tom, Dick and Lisa can send in their horror stories and you will treat them as gospel. Sorry, son, it doesn't wash. The Desiderata says do not compare yourself with others for there will always be others who are greater and lesser than you. Instead of taking the words of the lesser, why don't you take the high road one time and ask the greater how they view the opportunity. I didn't think so. Balls can only be shiny brass when they are not subjected to heat...or air.

 I have been in AMWAY since 1974. Have never been a direct. I find your web site very factual, truthful and informative. I would question some of your figures, but realize many of them would have to estimates since "reliable" sources could not be used to validate them. I have been audited twice with no problem at all. I do my own records and do not use a CPA or Tax Advisor. During the audits I found the IRS Auditors most helpful. They pointed out deductions I had overlook and helped amend my returns to give me more money back. I feel, from what I observed during the audit, that it is far better not to have someone to represent you because the audio degenerates in to a contest of who knows the most and you come up on the short end.

We have always used the AMWAY products (not the brand name catalog offerings) and feel they offer good value for the price and demonstrated performance. I feel they are fairly priced and at retail can provide a good income, coupled with sales bonuses. I only know one person who made a very good living with a step van and a route doing only retail sales, He worked an honest 40 hour week and only sponsored "wholesale customers" and never showed the plan. A few of his sponsored distributors (but very few) worked the plan. I really feel that you can get out of the business what you put into it, and it is not an easy business if you do it right, but can be very successful if done right. I strongly feel there is too much hype with the selling of tapes and etc. produced from other than corporate level. The corporate level audio/visual products, subdued after MANY years of litigation, are factual and have much less hype. To the credit of the corporation, independently produced media products are discouraged.

We have generally been in the 12/18% bonus range all the time. We honestly use quite a bit of core line personal products.

 I recently went onto your website. My husband and I are Quixtar IBO's. First of all--do you have a life? You are the people we laugh about. The people we talk about that do not have a dream. Let me ask you something...do you have a family? What are you doing to prepare for their future? Stocks? Investments? A measley savings account? What are you leaving your children behind? A house payment and debt? It is better to live and have a dream and goal in life, rather than dwindle the days away and not have one. (Which is you). I don't know if you are Christian--but the Bible says "Man without dream shall parish". Have fun parishing. Why do you find it necessary to put something down that does not even affect you? You are destroying peoples hopes, dreams, and in some instances, futures. Although I highly doubt anyone takes your website seriously. If people read your website and believe it--let them. They will be average just like you and will be known for nothing great when they die.

By the way-you are reporting about a company that does not exist. If you really knew what you were talking about, you would know that there is no such business called "AmQuix". Do your research!!! Amway and Quixtar are two completely different companies. Also, there is no "AQMO" plan. Get your facts straight. I encourage you to look on the internet for reports by Forbes, Microsoft, Compaq, Intel, and any leading business magazine or website.

It is also no wonder that you do not publish any Distributor's names, but a few diamonds. I have a feeling that these are people that supposedly emailed you back that A: are made up B: are Amway-bashers that had a bad experience, or C: were actually Diamonds that perhaps got in a bad group or could not continue building the business and did not know what to do when Quixtar came around so they wimped out and didn't have the balls to blame themselves, so they had to whine and say it was Amway or Quixtar.

I don't know you, but I feel really sorry for you. Why don't you do something productive with your life? Is this your "own businss" that you have? Or do you work for someone else?

My last and final question: Are you satisfied with being average? My answer: it is better to live your life striving for excellence and having a chance at achieving it, than to have nothing to strive for day in and day out with no chance of achieving anything.

No response necessary.

 Hello, I think your site was well made, and has a lot of information. The thing is that I am 22yrs old, and joined this Biz' when I was 19. I have learned more about money, and people in this Biz' than money could buy. I make enough in this Biz' now to pay all my bills,(none on tools). Telling people that tools are not important, is like telling people in school not to buy books. You go to school 4yrs, pay up the butt in books,(while not making alot at work in most cases) then when you get out hope to find the right job.

I manage a FootactionUSA shoe store, and hire alot of Grads that couldn't find the right job, so now they make as much as a HighSchool drop out like myself managing a shoe store. Also, most of these grads are paying back there loans, and putting food on there families table. My son is 4yrs old, and starting school in Sept, 2001. My wife has already cut back to part-time at work, and is RETIRING in Aug, 2001. Come to think of it, I have made alot more money than I ever expected, and never made money off tools. I also have had people in my group give me huge hugs, and tell me with tears in there eyes.... Thank you for helping me get out of the hole. And these are grown men in most cases. I understand this Biz' isn't perfect, but IT WORKS.. if you really believe. Just like any Biz'

William Joe Reed-

Your website was referred to me by a potential distributor. I am having a hard time comprehending why you have gone to such an extent on the website? Who is paying you? You obviously have spent hours on this! And to what benefit?

Try being in a conventional business sometime and see what your expenses are! Investment-risk-return on investment, etc. It would take a person days on end to go through everything you've written and so far, in the brief overview of 30 minutes, all I see is sour grapes!! I really feel sorry for you.

Perhaps you have a successful business you are the owner of? What made you the expert? Have you had any practical experience? NO ONE has a hobby to this extent! You have other motivation and that is very obvious. I know I don't sell to outside clients unless they come to me asking for product. I also know there are lots of good concentrated products that are much less expensive than competitors. I also know there is never a time when Costco will pay me back for recommending them to others. I also know it is a good deal to have products delivered to my door.... and with a 100% guarantee if I don't like them. I know I buy my products from myself, for myself and what I spend is more than compensated with the performance bonus I make a month. I know that anyone that really wants to build the business is able to. I also know the reputability of the owners is beyond reproach. What are your credentials that makes you such an expert? Losers can find lots of excuses! Once again, I say I am sorry for you that you are letting this hatred eat you up. How miserable it must be. Get a life!!

I've built a business in the past year and now I have an income net 40K+ after expenses. I have changed peoples lives for the better and have given hope to many more. Keep writing if it pleases your low self image. We'll keep moving on.

Quixtar IBO

PS. You must have nothing better to do than waste your time writing against Amway/Quixtar. Go out and make some money... find your spiritual side. If your married you should spend more time with your wife and less time on the internet. God help you.

 Scott,

If you choose to respond, please email me a copy as I am not sure I will make it back to your site. I would appreciate it if you post my comments, as they are directly pertinent to people looking at this business.

First, I do not make any income from "tools" and have had what most may consider limited success in the business so far (I will be going Diamond, though have not as of yet). As far as expenditures, we (my wife and I) invest 2K to 3K a year in the training system (total for fully plugging in to the system - both of us). As far as results, I have taken what I've learned and applied it directly to my 9 to 5, and increased that income from 37k/ to 135K/yr in four years - let's see, 12k invested, 172K returned - not too bad, huh. These figures do not include the income from our business.

By the way, I will not submit my tax returns and feel it is even rude of you to ask - do you make a habit of doing that in a job interview?

What's this all mean, not much if you have no reason to change where you are or what you are doing about it, everything if you think you're worth more than you are currently compensated.

Life is full of risks and scams, step out anyway and dare to make a difference. Will you be disappointed at times, maybe. Can you achieve greatness, certainly. Unfortunately, you represent a class of individuals who wish to present "near-facts" as facts in order to make your point. What do I mean, on your home page, you present certain data as factual, and on your "how can I help" page you make an open request for that data in a manner that you cannot hope to verify.

I wish you well in all you do, and hope you find a way to encourage people to dare to achieve greatness. I'm glad i never saw your page when I got started, because I might just have believed you opinions. I just hope that anyone "researching" here, takes the time to research at www.stores.org, www.intel.com, www.compaq.com and www.microsoft.com (unless, of course, they're somehow part of the conspiracy).

As for Louie Carillo, I'm sure he has his rough spots, like all of us, but he has helped us tremendously and doesn't even know it. I saw him speak at a seminar, and his comments about protecting family encouraged me to take action in my life, and directly impacted (positively) almost everything I do. Hopefully, I'll be able to return the favor someday.

Sincerely,

Paul

I would like to know who funded your website. It's very clear that a lot of research and time and has been spent on your website. Why don't you expose you true dealings ............ ! I'm absolutely sure this website is by no means your sincere desire to help people make the right decision, but rather a wolf dressed in sheep clothing, in doing so, making money from the competitors !

David Samuel

Lets see, um, your site is full of trash, I totally doubt the validity of quotes, if $46.20 causes all this trouble, why would Microsoft and IBM even bother with the site?

Money making IBO.

Getting paid to buy products I ALREADY need.

Wal-Mart and the Grocery store do not give me money back!

Hi Scott!

I have found your site quite interesting....I am not currently involved w/ quixtar or amway, however a friend of mine ask if I would research the company for him. I did attend one meeting and have checked your site and some other articles of info. on the business. I currently own a sporting goods chain, in which our business owners, own and operate their own business w/ the tools that we have put into place for them. They of course pay us a franchise fee of 6% on their sales totals, as well as a start up fee of $25,000. I have invested countless hours, and 100's of thounds of dollars to build my company. It resulted in my first five years in business as a struggle for myself and family and almost NO compensation for my 15+hour days and constant critizicism from friends and family over my madness! In fact I had calculated my hours to pay for those years and found that I received less than .30 per hour for my efforts. By my 6th year I was able to receive a draw of about $75,000 and now almost 15 years later am drawing about $180,000 per year. Point being.....the business that quixtar or likes present may definitely have some faults(as w/any business), but the bottom line is that a person who has the drive and desire as I did, certainly, wishes that someone would have shown it to me 15 years ago!! I noticed that you made mention to a few of the individuals involve in the company. I did not feel that it was fair to take each and every word that they spoke and cretique it in the manner that you did. You can find this type of "misrepresentation" in almost any profession or business. For instance the car salesman who sold you your last car, I sure he said some things during his presention that were not exactly as stated in the owners book. If you told me that I would have to spend a couple thousand dollars each year to develop and build my business, I would have said NO PROBLEM! it sure as hell beats the $250,000 I had to borrow to get my business of the ground and wait almost 10 years for results! It appears that the possibility of making a fair 60-70k net in this business over the next five years is very possible, if worked at..yes or no. I just wanted to drop you a line and tell you my story and let you know that I realize that your experience was not very good, but I feel you should let people know that if they are eager enough in life to succeed that this business is a real great opportunity. I know if I would have looked at this business as seriously as I did mine, I know I could have acheived my goals in life much quicker and had alot more family time. In closing....I am going to tell my friend to go for it and if he has the same drive that I did, he will succeed!

 Scott I found your site interesting, but frankly your 98% failure rate is a truth in almost any walk of life. I think if you really found out how few people are really doing the activity needed to do this business you would find that most IBOs have lottery mentality. My upline has told me from the get-go that I needed to show the quixtar business plan 20 times or more per month to be successful on top of using the business develop system. Why, because this is what all the successful people have done. Now if I were not doing that what logical reason would I have to think this is a bad opportunity?

 Hi Scott,

After all that waste of time you have spent on your site, are you offering anything better? Are you willing to mentor me

personally? Are you in life where I want to be? If the answers are yes, please give me your name, number, and address. So, I might get in contact with you. If your serious about what you say, I expect a direct answer in my email. If you don't it just proves what I suspected you. Have a great day.

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